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Old 01-05-2006, 04:56 PM   #1
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Default Bird Flu and bio-war


An extinguished flu virus was revived by US military. (1/5/06)


The virus which killed 50 millions (?) people in 1918 known as Spain Flu had distinguished since. It was revived by US military lab in 1997 and was proved the rivus was bird flu.


Re: Researchers learn from past

Brevig Mission residents thanked for vital role in study of bird flu
By RACHEL D'ORO
The Associated Press
Published: December 8, 2005

Joining him was Jeffery Taubenberger, a pathologist at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology and one of the researchers who helped reconstruct the 1918 flu virus earlier this year.

The turning point came more than four decades later, in 1997, when Hultin learned about Taubenberger's soldier research. Hultin contacted Taubenberger and offered his help to supplement samples of the flu virus found in two of the soldiers.

The samples completed the scientific puzzle, leading to the first reconstruction of an infectious agent behind a historic pandemic. The work offers proof that the 1918 flu originated in birds, according to researchers, who released their findings in October.


http://simg.zedo.com/intercept/tag/int451A.html

www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7269856p-7181624c.html


Taubenberger is a military researcher. (The fomer name is: The Armed forces Institute of Pathology) To find the Spain Flu virus, After years of search, he dig out the corpse whom died in 1918 Spain Flu and buried in Alaska. And finally found it in
1997. It was bird flu.
Re read my article about the bird flu outbreaking in HongKong in Dec.
1997, you know it is not a coincidence. It was a bio-war.

Though the revive of bird flu is in the name of research, it can't cover up the real purpose of a bio-weapon research. An extinguished dangerous virus was revived. It was done by US military.

When Bush government started to an unusual propaganda on the pandemic, the only thing you should consider is they have developed vaccine secretly and now will start an extortion bio-war against people. Just like what they did with 9/11.
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Old 01-16-2006, 11:10 AM   #2
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Default 161. SARS and HongKong (9/10)


We first heard of Bird Flu in 1997.
HongKong was returned to China in July that year. Months later, international speculator attacked Hongkong dollar but failed. Then in December HongKong was attacked by Bird flu. Five people died. HongKong government had to eliminated all the living poultry.

This could be viewed the first time that Bird Flu was used as bio-attack. The purpose was try to show the world that Hongkong was unstable under the reign of Communist China.

This is a message written two years ago, when SARS attacked HongKong.


161. SARS and HongKong (9/10/03)


HongKong was returned to China from Great Britain on 7/1/1997. Soon it was attacked by I.S. (international speculators) in its fixed exchange rate of Hongkong dollars linking to US dollars. HongKong successfully defended its currency. Then I.S. turned on to South-east Asia and succeeded there. After the currency collapse of Thailand, Indonesia..... I.S. went back to HongKong and activated an attack at the stock and option market. I.S. failed the battle and suffered a loss in August 1998. After that, HongKong encountered a new disease: bird flu. A girl's death case was said related to that disease. It became a big issue in media. The virus was said from living poultry. Hongkong Government had to organize a big elimination of living chicken. Since HongKong people used to consume on living poultry for food. It was a big event. There were two such big slaughter of chickens happened in HongKong. (within 2 or 3 years.?) The disease was caused by coronavirus.

Media said it was I.S. which caused financial crisis on South-east Asia in 1998. What is I.S.? I don't think a single financial company could activate such an attack. It must be a powerful organization which was able to control and conduct several big financial co-operations. So I think it's intelligence. And I suspected the bird flu was a bio-attack.
HongKong is said a goose which can lay gold eggs. The series of troubles HongKong encountered after it was returned to China might show that someone is unwilling to see a cash machine too easy to be given away. In early April 2003, when newspaper reported that expert found the SARS was also caused by coronavirus, I immediately thought it might be the continuation of the bird flu disease. Though the SARS virus was a mutation of coronavirus which caused bird flu, they are from same strain, probably from the same bio-lab.

Tourism is an important business for Hongkong. SARS heavily hit its economy. On 7/1/2003, there was a big demonstration on street. 500,000 people took part in the protest. The issue was opposing a new security rule. But people mainly were motivated by bad economic situation. They demand Tong CheWah, Chief Executive of HongKong, to step down. As a result, two high ranking government officials resigned from their post. SARS played an important role in this change.
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Old 01-16-2006, 12:03 PM   #3
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Kat, is there anybody in any government that you don't suspect of plotting against humanity? I've read about the research on the 1917 soldier deaths and it was a mystery that one researcher wanted to solve. He did and the results may be helpful in preventing further outbreaks. You, however, always seem to see a plot behind everything the government does. Out of curiousity, do you have any suggestions on what the government should be doing or, more importantly, how they should be doing it?
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Old 01-16-2006, 09:56 PM   #4
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You may be pretty darn close this time. Something really stinks on this bird flu deal. Why are they so worried about a desease that at this time can not even spread from humane to humane? Someone knows more than we do?? I think so.[:@]
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Old 01-16-2006, 11:07 PM   #5
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I'll worry about it when I start shacking up with chickens.
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Old 01-17-2006, 08:17 AM   #6
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There is some major misunderstanding of flu viruses and virus behavior generally that has morphed into paranoia in this "Bird Flu and bio-war" thread.

1. Flu vaccines are grown in bird eggs. This process comprises growing viruses in the eggs, disabling the virus in some way, and injecting people with the disabled virus which allows people's immune systems to develop antibodies against the specific virus without actually getting sick from the virus. QUESTION: why do you suppose they grow flu vaccine in bird eggs rather than milk, tofu, beer, or some other environment? Because flu virus, self-evidently, grows better in bird eggs. Birds are known to be a good host for flu viruses. Pigs also happen to be a good host for flu viruses. Thus, we have "swine flu" and "bird flu," because these are two of the major vectors or hosts of flu viruses.

2. While the 1918 influenza epidemic may have been a bird flu, that is one of hundreds of distinct flu strains that propogate well in birds, I would not assume this was "THE BIRD FLU" of present concern.

3. Virus cells -- or whatever is the proper name for a single instance of a virus -- exist in such large numbers that even at a low mutation rate, for example 1 out of every 10 billion virus cells, viruses mutate very quickly. Therefore, just because a virus today is only able to pass by direct physical contact, this doesn't mean that tomorrow it can't readily mutate to an airborne virus that can pass merely by breathing the same air on an airplane or in a school with someone else who is sick with that flu virus.

4. The big concern with "THE BIRD FLU" of present concern is that it greatly resembles the Spanish influenza of 1918, leading to the reasonable fear that it could similarly kill a massive number of people.


Bio-war? I don't think so. Crazy paranoia.

Someone who knows more than I about viruses and biological stuff pipe in here and lay it down. I feel I'm not the most knowledgeable on debunking the unsupported conspiracy theory being cooked up here.
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Thanks Alsatian for what you posted. I'll criticize the government when they deserve it but putting forth wacko conspiracy theories that are wholly unsubstantiated is reckless and just causes problems, not solutions.
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Old 01-17-2006, 08:59 AM   #8
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I'm definately no expert either, but sounds like you got it Alsatian. Although I believe that the bird flu virus passes between birds generally through their excrement, because it (the virus) has "learned" that this is the most effective means of spreading in that population, it wouldn't be very effective means when it comes to humans. The problem though is that the virus itself is very dynamic (comparitively) because of the number of cells it produces and the number of potential hosts (chickens, etc) it can infect. If a virus mutated to where it would spread through the air, it then becomes a real concern and even if the probability of this is extremely low mathmatically, in real life (because of the billlions/trillions of infected cells) the oddsare much higher.

If you hear a chicken cough, run.

I don't think anyone gives much creedance to the conspiracy theory.
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I don't know about conspiracy but bio-weapons are nothing new. Not for the bad guys or for our own government. I don't like the smell of this one. I am not one to go off in crazy directions but It still has me wondering big time.
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I finally realized where I know Kat from. The X-files!
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