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Old 12-27-2005, 09:57 AM   #1
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Secret court modified wiretap requests
Intervention may have led Bush to bypass panel
Saturday, December 24, 2005
By STEWART M. POWELL
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON -- Government records show that the administration was encountering unprecedented second-guessing by the secret federal surveillance court when President Bush decided to bypass the panel and order surveillance of U.S.-based terror suspects without the court's approval.
A review of Justice Department reports to Congress shows that the 26-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court modified more wiretap requests from the Bush administration than from the four previous presidential administrations combined.
The court's repeated intervention in Bush administration wiretap requests may explain why the president decided to bypass the court nearly four years ago to launch secret National Security Agency spying on hundreds and possibly thousands of Americans and foreigners inside the United States, according to James Bamford, an acknowledged authority on the supersecret NSA, which intercepts telephone calls, e-mails, faxes and Internet communications.
"They wanted to expand the number of people they were eavesdropping on, and they didn't think they could get the warrants they needed from the court to monitor those people," said Bamford, author of "Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency" and "The Puzzle Palace: Inside America's Most Secret Intelligence Organization." "The FISA court has shown its displeasure by tinkering with these applications by the Bush administration."
Bamford offered his speculation in an interview last week.
The 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, adopted by Congress in the wake of President Nixon's misuse of the NSA and the CIA before his resignation over Watergate, sets a high standard for court-approved wiretaps on Americans and resident aliens inside the United States.
To win a court-approved wiretap, the government must show "probable cause" that the target of the surveillance is a member of a foreign terrorist organization or foreign power and is engaged in activities that "may" involve a violation of criminal law.
Faced with that standard, Bamford said, the Bush administration had difficulty obtaining FISA court-approved wiretaps on dozens of people within the United States who were communicating with targeted al-Qaida suspects inside the United States.
The 11-judge court that authorizes FISA wiretaps has approved at least 18,740 applications for electronic surveillance or physical searches from five presidential administrations since 1979.
The judges modified only two search warrant orders out of the 13,102 applications that were approved over the first 22 years of the court's operation. In 20 of the first 21 annual reports on the court's activities up to 1999, the Justice Department told Congress that "no orders were entered (by the FISA court) which modified or denied the requested authority" submitted by the government.
But since 2001, the judges have modified 179 of the 5,645 requests for court-ordered surveillance by the Bush administration. A total of 173 of those court-ordered "substantive modifications" took place in 2003 and 2004 -- the most recent years for which public records are available.
The judges also rejected or deferred at least six requests for warrants during those two years -- the first outright rejection in the court's history.
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said last week that Bush authorized NSA surveillance of overseas communications by U.S.-based terror suspects because the FISA court's approval process was too cumbersome.
The Bush administration, responding to concerns expressed by some judges on the 11-member panel, agreed last week to give them a classified briefing on the domestic spying program. U.S. District Judge Malcolm Howard, a member of the panel, told CNN that the Bush administration agreed to brief the judges after U.S. District Judge James Robertson resigned from the FISA panel, apparently to protest Bush's spying program.
Bamford, 59, a Vietnam-era Navy veteran, likens the Bush administration's domestic surveillance without court approval to Nixon-era abuses of intelligence agencies.
NSA and previous eavesdropping agencies collected duplicates of all international telegrams to and from the United States for decades during the Cold War under a program code-named "Shamrock" before the program ended in the 1970s. A program known as "Minaret" tracked 75,000 Americans whose activities had drawn government interest between 1952 and 1974, including participation in the anti-war movement during the Vietnam War.
"NSA prides itself on learning the lessons of the 1970s and obeying the legal restrictions imposed by FISA," Bamford said. "Now it looks like we're going back to the bad old days again."
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Old 12-27-2005, 11:41 AM   #2
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Government records show that the administration was encountering unprecedented second-guessing by the secret federal surveillance court
Why do we have a need for secret courts in this country ?
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The court's repeated intervention in Bush administration wiretap requests may explain why the president decided to bypass the court nearly four years ago to launch secret National Security Agency spying on hundreds and possibly thousands of Americans and foreigners inside the United States, according to James Bamford, an acknowledged authority on the supersecret NSA, which intercepts telephone calls, e-mails, faxes and Internet communications.
Since they exist then isn't this an example of what they're supposed to be doing as part of our checks and balances system?

Somehow , knowing that the guy in charge is deliberately trying to bypass the process that protects us all makes me distinctly uncomfortable .
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:44 AM   #3
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They hate him as much as you do.I love it.
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Old 12-29-2005, 09:50 AM   #4
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I don't hate the man James,I hate some of his policies.
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Why do we have a need for secret courts in this country ?
This makes me a little uneasy as well, but I guess if the wiretaps need to be secret for security purposes, then the court can be secret as well. It seems to me that after the investigation these proceedings should be made public.


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The artical reads like GWB tried to work with in the system at first.
I have to wonder if the system hasn't evolved fast enough to accomadate the type of war we are in?
Maybe thats where the trouble lies?

Personaly I want the president to have all the power neccessary to fight this war, but not without limits. Perhaps we haven't developed the means/tactics neccessary to fight the type war we are in and that is why GWB is flailing around in such a clumbsy manner?

Maybe I just read GWB wrong, but I don't get the sense he does things to be sinnister or that he is arrogant and just doesn't bother trying to follow the law.

Now Rumsfeld, I get the sense I am being talked down to everytime he says something.

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Forgot one thing, the V.P. strikes me as the type of CEO that would lay-off folks right before ChristMas inorder to secure the next $100,000 bonus, and still not have any trouble falling asleep that night.

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This makes me a little uneasy as well, but I guess if the wiretaps need to be secret for security purposes, then the court can be secret as well. It seems to me that after the investigation these proceedings should be made public.

I would agree with that as long as it doesn't endanger any ongoing investigations or give up any tradecraft secrets (i.e. how we got the info) to the enemy. But that is why the FISA court should perform properly and ensure that things are being done correctly.
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I am just going to say my little peace right now.

I am a hardcore republican and a capitalist. BUT, I didn't vote in either term because I didn't see anyone running that would make a good president. I think Bush is just clueless about the war. I think there are a right way to do things, and waiting to send troops in is not. I would have sent them in right away AFTER I carpet bombed Iraq. "That would kill woman and children" you say, well, a woman"s, child"s, mans life has no "better" value on it. We are all the same, and quit frankly, better them than us. If we would have killed all the kids running around with guns in the first Iraq war,KILLING OUR SOILDERSthen there would be a lot less "grown ups" to fight in this one. But instead of protecting ourselves we had to put our own life on the line just to please some politican over here setting in his nice little house. I am very pro war and like to get things done. I am not some hippy, that thinks we should give hugs and hand out flowers and roses. In war there are no rules.


And on the subject of us having torture camps, I say, what ever it takes for us to gain the information we need.

On the subject of us spying on Americans, again, what ever it takes to keep us safe.

I am sure I am going to get some lip from someone but I don't care, I stand on my decisions and the world would be a lot more of a safe place if we done things the right way instead of letting hippies and democrats run things.


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am a hardcorerepublican and a capitalist. BUT, I didn't vote in either term because I didn't see anyone running that would make a goodpresident.
Oh brother...

By not voting for someone, you are basically voting for the other. Not to mention...you're leaving the decision up to every cannon-fodder this country has.

Don't not vote. Go vote for someone you've looked into. Whether he's Republican/Demoncrap doesn't matter.

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I think we should disarm all of America's citizens.---Whatever it takes to keep us safe.
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