It's a SAD day!!!

deernutz · 12-19-2005, 12:30 PM

It's a sad day when I have to watchour President on national TV try to defend something we as a Nation asked him to do! Everyone remembers 9/11. After they got over their shock they started asking questions. Why didn't we know. The Gov failed us. We need to have better intel.That's when the Dept of Homeland Security was beefed up. Then they started saying well is it enough to deter terrorists and it showed that it did some what. Why as a nation are we bashing our President for doing what we asked him to do? He's not taping our domestic calls. The taps are going on call's made going to other countries, and call coming into our country on Marked People. The American people will never be satisfied. He did it to protect us as a whole.

Charlie P · 12-19-2005, 12:33 PM

All he had to do was get a warrant he swore to uphold the constitution and the Laws of ther USA.FISA states you need a warrant to do what he's doing.

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Why as a nation are we bashing our President for doing what we asked him to do?

I don't think I ever asked him to break our laws.
This isn'tEast germnay.

vc1111 · 12-19-2005, 12:35 PM

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He did it to protect us as a whole.

So the end justifies the means, is that it?

You may continue in this vein but you'll lose big time. The only things that you have to rationalize away to win are the Constitution and The Bill of Rights.

Lanse couche couche · 12-19-2005, 12:39 PM

I've yet to see positive proof that Bush's actions were illegal. In fact, aren't they now acknwledging that a formalinquiry is needed to find out who leaked the info. That wouldn't even be on the boards if Bush's actions were conclusively unconstitutional.But, I'm going to keep an open mind until all the facts emerge instead of totally buying into the knee-jerk partisan blah-blah from either side.

vc1111 · 12-19-2005, 01:01 PM

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In fact, aren't they now acknwledging that a formal inquiry is needed to find out who leaked the info. That wouldn't even be on the boards if Bush's actions were conclusively unconstitutional.

You're wrong. If the program was classified, leaking it could be a violation of national security. However, that leaking it may have been a violation does not prove that it was by default legal, not by any stretch. Many illegal government actions are established as classified.

The burden of proof is on Bush. Just hide and watch. He will be saddled with the responsibility of justifying what appears to fly in the face of this nation's Consitution, not the other way around.

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But, I'm going to keep an open mind until all the facts emerge instead of totally buying into the knee-jerk part
san blah-blah from either sid

Your president admits spying on Americans and you write it off as partisan blah-blah? If you wish to "keep and open mind" you might try stepping back and considering how dangerous it could be for all of us to allow an administration to do what they want, to whom they want, on a case-by-case, without granting anyone the courtesy of being overseen as to the legality of their actions.

We could write off the registration of all firearms as a means of helping " "secure" our safety and thereby "trust" our government to "protect us"...would you consider that "partisan blah blah?"

deernutz · 12-19-2005, 01:08 PM

I'n going to say it over and over again. He had his reasons. Maybe he didn't go about it the right way, but he did it for the people. That I admire.

vc1111 · 12-19-2005, 01:14 PM

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He had his reasons. Maybe he didn't go about it the right way, but he did it for the people. That I admire.

By that reasoning we could simply start killing people suspected of murder, jailing people suspected of drug dealing etc, all without trial and due process.

Our motives are honorable, right? If we make a few "mistakes" who cares? No need for all that "due process" and "law" stuff. Just trust one group of men to do the right thing, we won't get screwed, no need to keep them honest.

Charlie P · 12-19-2005, 01:15 PM

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I'n going to say it over and over again.

Say it as much as you want, doesn't mean it was right. "He did it for the people " want a lsit of leaders who have said the same thing?

Lanse couche couche · 12-19-2005, 01:16 PM

I don't have a law degree and i assume that you don't either. However, if there is an inquiry that actually results in punishment of someone who leaked info, it would in principle support the idea that Bush's actions were legal. Or do you know of instances where individuals have actually been punished thru public hearings forleaking info about classified illegal activities?I for one would prefer to wait for the outcome of hearings instead of duking it out on a hunting message board. However, as for the spying part, if someone is taking calls from a terrorist suspect in North Yemen, I would assume that monitoring their calls is not a sign that black choopers will soon be hovering over your house.

deernutz · 12-19-2005, 02:18 PM

Ok LCC your right duking it out in a hunting forum isn't right. But just one more thing to say. He did iut to catch terrorists. So one day the train your on, or the mall your in doesn't blowup. terrorists are nasty people. Been face to face with them many times. JUSTIFIED. Ok I'm done. Everyone have a safe and merry CHRISTmas!