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Old 12-01-2005, 07:25 AM   #1
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Monday, September 26th 2005, Deb Davis headed off to work on the route 100 bus. When the bus got to the gates of the Denver Federal Center, a guard got on and asked her if she had an ID. She answered in the affirmative. He asked if he could see it. She said no.

A second officer asked the same question and got the same answer: no showing of ID, no getting off the bus.

The second officer said everyone had to show ID any time they were asked by the police, adding that if she were in a Wal-Mart and was asked by the police for ID, that she would have to show it there, too.

She explained that she didn't have to show him or any other policeman my ID on a public bus or in a Wal-Mart. She told him she was simply trying to go to work.

Ms. Davis was then arrested. When she is arraigned in U.S. District Court on the 9th of December, she will most likely be charged with the following federal criminal misdemeanors: 41 CFR § 102-74.375 (Admission to Property) and 41 CFR § 102-74.385 (Conformity to Official Signs and Directions).

The reason why she was charged has absolutely nothing to do with security. The guard at the Denver Federal Center wasn't checking IDs against a 'no ride' list: there is no such thing. The demands made against Deb Davis were nothing more than a compliance test, a demand that she kowtow to officialdom. And lest we forget, having to show your ID is a search without a warrant.


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Old 12-01-2005, 07:32 AM   #2
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Here's a story from the Denver Post





Court trip next stop for bus rider



By David Harsanyi
Denver Post Staff Columnist
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Deborah Davis doesn't consider herself a hero. Certainly not a modern-day champion of the Constitution. Yet, in her own way, she might be a little of both.
Two months ago, this 50-year-old mother of four was reading a book while riding to work on RTD's Route 100. When the bus rolled up to the gates of the Denver Federal Center in Lakewood, a guard climbed on and demanded Davis, as well as everyone else on board, produce identification.
Perhaps it was that inherent American distaste for producing papers on demand, but Davis, who had gone through this drill before, decided to pass.
"I told him that I did have identification, but I wasn't going to show it to him," Davis explains. "I knew that I wasn't required by law to show ID and that's why I decided I wasn't going to. The whole thing seemed to be more about compliance than security."
According to Davis, the guard proceeded to call on federal cops, who then dragged Davis off a public bus, handcuffed her, shoved her into the back seat of a police car and drove off to a police station within the Federal Center.
While I was unable to reach anyone at the Department of Homeland Security on Friday to comment on Davis' case, the offense/incident report corroborates her basic story.
Though, it should be noted that, according to the arresting officer, Davis became "argumentative" before she "was physically removed from the bus and placed under arrest."
Good for her.
Davis - whose middle son is risking his life in Iraq while the federal government is demanding papers from and arresting his middle-aged mom - is scheduled to be arraigned on Dec. 9 and could face up to 60 days in jail.
Gail Johnson, a volunteer ACLU lawyer who practices at a prominent Colorado criminal defense firm, will defend Davis without charge. She expects the government to arraign Davis on two federal criminal misdemeanors, if not more.
The first states that citizens must "when requested, display Government or other identifying credentials to Federal police officers or other authorized individuals." The second says that citizens must comply with "the lawful direction of Federal police officers and other authorized individuals."
As Johnson sees it, there are numerous problems with the charges and she plans to fight them "vigorously."
"She was a passenger on a public bus," explains Johnson, who believes this case is about the fundamental right to travel. "She got on the bus outside of the federal area and she wanted to get off the bus outside the federal area. It's not her fault buses run along this route."
Legal issues notwithstanding, you have to wonder what ever happened to common sense? What exactly were the guards, who merely glanced at the IDs, doing? Is there a "no-bus rider" terrorist list in Lakewood? And if there is, how would the guards be able to differentiate between real and fake IDs?
And no, we needn't be absolutists about freedom. There are potentially a whole host of justifiable reasons for enhanced security.
In this instance, however, the Federal Center houses the Department of Veterans Affairs, the U.S. Geological Survey and a section of the National Archives.
Not exactly Dick Cheney's super-secret underground bunker.
If safety at the center was a question of national security, why have a public bus route running through the facility in the first place?
"I'm just a regular, normal, everyday person," Davis says. "There is nothing really far out about me. I have been laid off. I pay my taxes. I have my problems. I am no different than anyone else. It just didn't seem right."
Ah, but here she's wrong.
She's not like anyone else. So let's hope more Americans act like Deb Davis, not another partisan hack acting the victim, but an average American who questions government intrusion into our private and public lives for freedom's

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Old 12-01-2005, 08:02 AM   #3
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Not on topic, but isn't the second article written with a bias??? Was it an editorial?

On topic: Hasn't this issue arisen within the past year? I seem to remember a major story about proving ID to police. Was there a recent SC ruling on this? Hlep me out.
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Old 12-01-2005, 08:31 AM   #4
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The SC decision was on a "reasonable suspician" case.

That's the Denver Post for you.
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Old 12-01-2005, 09:01 AM   #5
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If she wasn't actually debarking at the Federal Center or trying to enter the building then they had no right to ask for her ID , but I'll bet she loses in court . Welcome to the NWO ... [&o]
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If she wasn't actually debarking at the Federal Center or trying to enter the building then they had no right to ask for her ID , but I'll bet she loses in court . Welcome to the NWO ... [&o]
Agreed.

What happens now if someone is out for a stroll but left their ID at home? Are they to be arrested on the spot?
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I think she forgotto tell them to kiss her a$$$$$$

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"Where are your papers?!?!?! What?!?!? NO PAPERS?!?!?!?!.......................... Take her away."
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"I told him that I did have identification, but I wasn't going to show it to him," Davis explains. "I knew that I wasn't required by law to show ID and that's why I decided I wasn't going to. The whole thing seemed to be more about compliance than security."
According to Davis, the guard proceeded to call on federal cops, who then dragged Davis off a public bus, handcuffed her, shoved her into the back seat of a police car and drove off to a police station within the Federal Center.
We have a board member that thinks this is a simply wonderful idea. He's even suggested checkpoints at bus and train stations. He took offense at the idea that some might actually liken this to Gestapo tactics.


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it's ridiculous. if i haven't done anything wrong,they have no right.

hats off to her.
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