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Old 11-07-2005, 06:59 PM   #1
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I know from the response from the last thread of this sort that most won't agree, but I just feel this is excessive. $22,000 for tagging someone elses deer. I know that amount was the total fines for 3 men, but geeze..$22,000 for tagging someone elses deer.


ARKANSAS MEN FINED $22,000 FOR ILLEGAL DEER HUNTING

Three men from Arkansas who illegally killed two deer in late October in southwest Colorado have paid more than $20,000 in fines for the offense to the Colorado Division of Wildlife (DOW).
The men also have been assessed 15 penalty points against their hunting privileges in Colorado. If they accumulate 20 points or more within five years they will lose their license privileges in Colorado.
"These are major fines that show that wildlife crime doesn't pay," said Patt Dorsey, area wildlife manager in the Durango area.
The men violated Colorado's "Samson Law" which imposes heavy penalties for illegally killing trophy-class animals. Depending on the species, the fines range from $4,000 to $25,000. The fine for deer in the Samson category is $10,000.
The men, who admitted guilt after an investigation by a DOW wildlife officer, were hunting near Vallecito Reservoir about 30 miles northeast of Durango. The identity of the men and the charges are:
-- Frank Kelly, 60, Springdale, Arkansas; unlawful take of a mule deer plus a Samson surcharge.
-- Lonnie Blakemore, 66, Farmington, Arkansas; unlawful take of a mule deer plus a Samson surcharge.
-- Gerald Harp, 65, Springdale Arkansas; unlawful transfer of a license.
To settle the charges for all the men, Kelly paid the entire fine of $22,192 after being questioned by DOW District Wildlife Manager, Cary Carron. The animals were killed during Colorado's second rifle season during which deer and elk can be hunted.
During routine patrol on Oct. 24, Carron received a tip about two large buck deer that might have been taken illegally near an area known as Freeman Park above Vallecito Reservoir.
Carron located hunters in that area and questioned them. According to the incident report, one man acted very nervous. Carron, a veteran wildlife officer with more than 20 years experience, left the area but contacted the hunters again later to ask more questions.
Eventually, Kelly told Carron the full story.
Kelly said that Blakemore had killed a small buck on Oct. 23. Later that afternoon Blakemore saw a large buck and shot it, even though he'd already filled his license. Blakemore's action was illegal.
In an attempt to cover up the kill, Kelly agreed to place his license tag illegally on the large deer.
The next morning Kelly saw a large buck and killed it. But because he no longer had a valid license, Harp agreed to place his tag on the deer.
All three men's actions violated Colorado's wildlife laws.
Carron measured the spread of the deer antlers and determined they were "Samson" sized - more than 22 inches across just above the skull.
The men were given two choices: post bond at the La Plata County jail to secure their appearance for a court date later; or admit guilt and pay the fines.
In his report, Carron wrote: "Kelly said that he did not want to go to jail. He said that he felt that this whole mess was his fault and he did not want these other guys to get into trouble."
The two large deer were confiscated by the DOW and the meat was donated to a local food bank. Blakemore was allowed to keep the first deer because it was shot and tagged legally.
The DOW utilizes the same investigative tools that all law enforcement agencies use, Dorsey said.
"DOW officers use good-old game warden skills, the latest technology and tips from the public to crack these cases. We have every investigative tool we need to catch people who are hunting illegally," Dorsey said.

NOTE TO EDITORS: A photo of one of the antler sets can be found at this Web address: <http://dnr.state.co.us/imagedb/images/2324.jpg>

The image can be downloaded; please credit Colorado Division of Wildlife.
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Cary Carron, an officer with the Colorado Division of Wildlife, holds antlers from a large buck that was killed illegally in late October near Vallecito Reservoir in southwest Colorado. Three hunters from Arkansas paid more than $22,000 in fines for killing this deer and another large buck. Both bucks are considered trophy-class animals because of the size of their antlers which measure more than 22 inches wide just above the skull. Trophy-quality animals are afforded special protection from illegal hunting and poaching under Colorado's "Samson" law. Fines for illegally killing a "Samson" size animal can range from $4,000 to $25,000 depending on the species.

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Old 11-07-2005, 08:49 PM   #2
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IMO It's the first guy, Blakemore fault. He was actually poaching when he shot the second deer. If he already fulfilled his tag, he shouldn't have been out there with a gun in the first place. If the other guy wants to pay the fines then it's his prerogative but the amount is justified. He should have know about this Sampson law when he pulled the trigger. Here they will take your firearm, truck, and fine you 5k + jail time.
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Old 11-07-2005, 09:09 PM   #3
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Mite that is just the sort of thing I am talking about " Here they will take your firearm, truck, and fine you 5k + jail time ".

Here you wouldn't get that for killingsomeones bull out in a pasture.

$22 thousand dollars is just a bit excessive compared to other offenses. It reminds me of the old laws that caused the cruel and un-usual punishment amendment to be written over.

What is the upper limit to the fines sportsmen are willing to endorse...the death penalty? The right hand? The left eye?

I mean $22 thousand dollars for tagging someone elses deer???

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Old 11-08-2005, 01:15 AM   #4
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What was done there would have been perfectly legal in Wisconsin during gun deer season so long as the hunters were hunting in the same party.

Noone should be forced to enforce rediculous or immoral laws- which is the case in this incident.Like I said before its all about money$$$$$ If the guy had shot a spiker or a doe that the other man tagged, noone woul dhave batted an eye, or at the very worst, the fine would have been small. Trophy deer hunting, putting extra money value on bigger animals or racks, and QDM is going to be the downfall of hunting in the United States. Don't believe me? Look at England with its long tradition of hunting- All it took was enough people to be priced out of hunting for the whole system to collapse.


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Old 11-08-2005, 07:28 AM   #5
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Sure is excessive!
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Old 11-08-2005, 08:27 AM   #6
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Wow, thats crazy. A kid here used his moms tag to tag a deer a few years ago. He got a 250 dollar fine and lost his license for the year.
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Old 11-08-2005, 08:33 AM   #7
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Didn't they hang horse thieves in the old west?
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"Don't do the crime if you can't pay the fine!"
EXACTLY!
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:44 PM   #10
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I'll bet they never do it again, and I think that's the general idea behind the "Samson" laws. I wish they'd jack up the fines around here.
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