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Old 11-06-2005, 01:41 AM   #1
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By DAVID DISHNEAU, Associated Press Writer Sat Nov 5, 3:14 PM ET
[/align][/align]OAKLAND, Md.

- John Wagner was 5 when he killed his first deer with one shot from a .223-caliber rifle. He is now standing in the living room of his family home and recalling with mounting excitement how last December he trained the cross hairs on the 75-pound doe as she paused beneath a tree house where he and his father waited.
"I shot it right behind the front shoulder," the boy said. "Dropped it right in its tracks."
John, now 6 years old, stands about 4 feet tall and weighs about 50 pounds. He's a good student, earning a monthly award for responsibility in kindergarten last year.
But he'd rather be hunting.
"I like it," he said. "Shooting a gun and shooting at the animals and killing them."
When an 8-year-old girl made headlines last month by bagging the first black bear of the season, many Marylanders were surprised to learn the state has no minimum age limit for hunting. But for some families in rural areas such as Garrett County, learning to handle firearms is as much a part of childhood as losing one's baby teeth.
Hunting opponents aim to change that. The Humane Society of the United States is talking with state legislators about establishing a minimum hunting age of perhaps 16, said Heidi Prescott, the society's senior vice president of campaigns.
"A deer rifle can kill someone up to a mile away, and young adolescents lack the experience, judgment and emotional maturity to handle that kind of firepower safely," she said. "To send someone into the woods with a long-range weapon who's not even mature enough to drive a car is an invitation to tragedy."
State wildlife managers disagree. Paul Peditto, director of the Department of Natural Resources' Wildlife and Heritage Service, said children of any age who have passed the state's tests for firearm competency and hunter safety " a requirement for all new hunters since 1977 " should be allowed to hunt.
The safety exam can be given orally, as in John Wagner's case. Practically, "you're probably talking about the exceptional 5-year-old and the average 8- to 10-year-old" as being capable of passing the course, Peditto said.
He acknowledged that some people are alarmed by the idea of small children with loaded guns, "but invariably they're people who don't hunt, don't have any intention to hunt and have never participated in a hunter-safety course."
That doesn't describe Prescott. She said she's taken the Maryland hunter-safety course and found it fairly easy. The 10-to-14-hour course includes a 50-question multiple choice exam and a live firing test that she said doesn't approximate the stress of hunting.
"You're shooting at models with an instructor standing over you," she said. "You're not shooting at moving targets."
Maryland's hunter-safety requirement places it among 13 states with youth-hunter policies that the National Shooting Sports Foundation and the National Wild Turkey Federation consider "somewhat restrictive." A 2004 report commissioned by the groups lists 17 states with less-restrictive regulations and 20 with policies that are considered more restrictive because they ban most hunting before age 12.
The study found that hunters 6 to 15, when accompanied by an adult, have a better safety record than hunters overall. It reported that in 2002, there were 1.6 shooting incidents for every 1 million supervised youth hunters, compared with 52 incidents per million hunters of all ages.
A shooting incident was defined as an instance in which a person was wounded or killed by a shot from a firearm or a bow. The report didn't include an incident rate for unsupervised youth hunters.
Maryland has no adult supervision requirement for junior hunters, defined by the state as those under 16. Peditto said that in practice, junior hunters usually are accompanied by adults because the youngsters can't drive to the hunting grounds.
John Wagner will be with his father, Jody, on Nov. 12 when thousands of youngsters participate in Maryland's Junior Deer Hunt, a one-day event for hunters 16 and under that requires adult accompaniment.
John's mother, Liz, said she or her husband will accompany their son on all his hunts until at least his 13th birthday. She said some parents think John's too small for hunting and don't like him talking to their children about it.
"I say, 'Well, he is fully supervised and he's not out by himself,'" she said. "I think it's good for kids to learn this. It teaches them how to be responsible at an early age."
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Old 11-06-2005, 02:08 AM   #2
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It's another tactic by HSUS to oppose hunting. Did you know that Humane Society of the United States don't run any shelters nor rescues? They just collect money for campaigns. Read about them in http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/136
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The HSUS can make all the ridiculous claims they like regarding the dangers of placing firearms in a child's hands. But statistics CLEARLY show that children hunting in the woods are not a threat to society's safety. In fact, statistics show that adolescent hunters are safer than adult hunters. Go figure on that one!
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Old 11-06-2005, 06:53 AM   #4
 
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The same research , the Youth Hunting Report, a study commissioned by National Wild Turkey Federation, National Shooting Sports Foundation and the USSA, showed that youngsters are less likely to take up hunting in states that have restrictive requirements for youth participation. For instance it showed that Wisconsin is recruiting only 53 new hunters for every 100 hunters lost and WI is considered a hunting state.

Overall we are only recruiting about .7 hunters for every 1 lost. The shooting industry has a nation-wide education and lobbying effort to ease restrictive hunter ed programs and make it easier for kids to get afield at an early age.


As an exmaple, Wisconsin Assembly Bill 677, sponsored by Rep. Scott Suder, R-Abbotsford, and Assembly Speaker John Gard, R-Peshtigo, currently in committee, AB 677 would allow parents to decide when their children are ready to hunt or shoot. The bill gives parents the opportunity to introduce their children to hunting prior to completing a hunter education course as long as certain conditions are met. The apprentice hunter would have to be within arm"s reach of an adult mentor while in the field and would be required to attend hunter education courses and become fully licensed should they elect to pursue hunting on their own. A good model for state legislation.


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Old 11-06-2005, 07:55 AM   #5
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The same research , the Youth Hunting Report, a study commissioned by National Wild Turkey Federation, National Shooting Sports Foundation and the USSA, showed that youngsters are less likely to take up hunting in states that have restrictive requirements for youth participation. For instance it showed that Wisconsin is recruiting only 53 new hunters for every 100 hunters lost and WI is considered a hunting state.

Overall we are only recruiting about .7 hunters for every 1 lost. The shooting industry has a nation-wide education and lobbying effort to ease restrictive hunter ed programs and make it easier for kids to get afield at an early age.


As an exmaple, Wisconsin Assembly Bill 677, sponsored by Rep. Scott Suder, R-Abbotsford, and Assembly Speaker John Gard, R-Peshtigo, currently in committee, AB 677 would allow parents to decide when their children are ready to hunt or shoot. The bill gives parents the opportunity to introduce their children to hunting prior to completing a hunter education course as long as certain conditions are met. The apprentice hunter would have to be within arm"s reach of an adult mentor while in the field and would be required to attend hunter education courses and become fully licensed should they elect to pursue hunting on their own. A good model for state legislation.


I can understand the argument about hunter recruitment. It is a valid point and is something we all need to be thinking about to continue our way of life as hunters. One thing that does come to mind about the highlighted part is that a decision about when to start hunting being decided by parents doesn't take into consideration the ability or suitability of the parents. For arguments sake, lets look at a poacher who doesn't follow laws and takes what he wants when he wants to. Is he a qualified person to decide when his child can take up the family hobby? There is no better way to properly train a new hunter than to spend time in the woods. I tagged along with my father froim age 8 to 12 before I was allowed to carry a gun. I guess I would question the ability of a person who isn't even 12 years old to make decisions about a safe shot. Statistically that age group is safer than older hunters but most of them are under direct supervision by qualified adults. What about the rest who are turned lose to make life and death decisions. Just like there is a minimum age for driving licenses and learners permits I feel that there should be mandatory hunter training and an age restriction before a license will be given. Most 12 to 14 year old children raised in a sporting household should be mature enough to handle a firearm and hunt after Hunter"s Ed and time in the field with their parents.
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Old 11-06-2005, 04:55 PM   #6
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Even a state with no minimum age requires adult supervision , so there's no need for a minimum age law . [:@]
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Old 11-07-2005, 07:11 AM   #7
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Agree entirely.

I started at 10 but spent years in the woods before I could carry a gun. Until I was 16 my father was always at my side. Would have been the same if I was 10 or if I was 5.
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Old 11-08-2005, 09:04 AM   #8
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Sorry fellas, but I disagree entirely. There's no need or rational basisfor children that young to be hunting. Matter of fact, it's downright scary.

Every once in a while, the Humane Society does something (i.e. seeking to ban canned hunting)that I agree with, this is one of those rare instances.

Hunter recruitment is not a valid reason to abandon common sense and the rules of safety. I'm sorry, but even if supervised, I wouldn't trust a 3 year old with a loaded weapon, and in some jurisdictions, that IS PERMISSIBLE, and that's SCARY. Something tells me that the "adult supervisor" in those situations isn't very responsible and is missing some scruples anyway.

Say what you guys want, but I'll never hunt with an 8 year old, supervised or not. I would never permit it on my property, either. Hunting is an ultrahazardous activity, similar to toxic waste disposal, handling explosives, etc., and infants should not be engaging in the same.

Would you hand a live hand grenade to an 8 year old, even if you were standing right next to him? What about a glass vile of the Ebola virus?
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Old 11-08-2005, 10:25 AM   #9
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I'm not for adding more convolution and complication to hunting laws.

What is the minimum age for handling a sharp knife? For climbing on a step ladder? For playing in the street? For playing around with electric outlet chords? There are LOTS of ways for children to be injured and killed. Parents have to be relied upon to keep their children safe, setting boundaries and limits. Not all parents are equally responsible, granted, but this is the way it goes. Probably the irresponsible parents are not the ones who are going to take the considerable trouble to take their kids to the woods to hunt. These parents, I think, may be expected to exercise a little care and caution.

How did we get to 2005 without laws in place toprohibit hunting forchildren who are too young to hunt? How come we are not all dead yet or all of these too young children dead yet? How vital can the need for this law be if we can't even point to bad things happening when young children hunt? If it ain't broken, don't fix it.

I first took my son hunting when he was 13, I think. This seems old enough to me. He probably could have gone hunting earlier. I don't see any real point to taking a kid out hunting when they are 8 years old . . . but nobody decided I would be the lord and master to decide these things for them. I say let people use their own judgment on this and make their own choices. Put a law in place on such a matter and without a doubt it will unnecessarily chafe and irritate someone in some circumstance. Maybe a terminally ill 8-year old child has a hankering to go on a deer hunt like dad does every year before he dies, but the law prohibits children younger than 9 hunting?

Why are we always in such a hurry to make new laws? Does anyone think in 2005 that there aren't enough friggin' laws already???

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Old 11-08-2005, 10:51 AM   #10
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It's not the age so much, but the maturity level. My two boys, currently 13 and 15, have been along on hunting trips with me for several years. I think the older one came on his first "weekend" with me, my Dad, two uncles and 2 cousins, when he was around 7-8 years old. He did not carry a gun, but other than that he was out with us.

They have been going on NH Youth hunting weekends since they were 11. These are great ideas. The youth hunt, escorted by an adult licensed hunter who cannot hunt. On these days, my two boys have collectively shot a deer, turkey and several ducks and a goose.

It's as much about maturity and teaching them as anything, my oldest spends his youth hunting with my hunting partner, I take the youngest (more fidgety!). So far the oldest has passed on a gobbling turkey, actually relocated due to being to close to a house and it cost him the bird. My youngest this year didn't shoot a deer because he didn't want to try a neck shot or a walking shot with a rifle at 15 yards. Agree with the decisions or not, both were made with ethics over legal in mind and both boys to this day agree with the decisions they made.

NH hunting says at 16 you need your own license (after hunter ed) and you can hunt. Prior to that you have to be with a licensed adult and be under his "direct control". My boys will each be out with me for the first couple afternoons of rifle season, I may not shoot, but who cares, they might!

Its about maturity, you can't stick a number on it and any rule like this while there would be valid examples of where it would have helped, removes the decision of the parent to decide when the child can handle it and is ready.

Leave it to me and my wife to decide when my kids are mature enough to hunt.

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