"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President; or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American People."
(Guess who?)
Very applicable to todays neo-facism style politics.
It's gotta be either Rush or Anne Coulter.
I do get tired of the "I support the troops, but not the war" line. For most people I think that's just a catchy political line they use.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President; or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American People."
(Guess who?)
Very applicable to todays neo-facism style politics.
I don't think people on this BBS have been arguing that there must be "no criticism" of President Bush. Many have argued against what they perceive as unfair or unjustified criticism against President Bush. I also don't believe I've seen people arguing that we must blanketly stand by President Bush whether he's right or wrong either. Two particulars points to support my statement are I don't think anybody on this BBS supports President Bush's overspending policies or lack of border security. Your quote makes it sound like people will not countenance any criticism of Bush which is an absolute statement. Even 1 exception makes your statement incorrect. I have provided 2 statements just off the top of my head and probably could find more with a little thought and research.
If people supported the President when he was committing crimes or other treasonable offenses, I would agree that such loyalty would be servile, unpatriotic or morally treasonable to the American people. I have seen no such evidence nor have you even begun to prove such a proposition.
Titling your post "Robot Cheerleaders is sure to get a response (I already have responded). And referring to your opponents or critics as practicing "neo-facism style politics" is also sure to get a response. People could interpret these remarks as insulting, flaming or maybe an inability to express your irritation and opposition more eloquently. These types of comments are certainly not likely to elevate the discourse on this BBS. You're guaranteed to get a response from the board's conservative members with these types of comments but is it the kind of response you want?
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I'm a conservative Cal - I can disagree or agree with any pres. policies and still be that.
Yes, you surely can.
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I pointed no fingers left or right with the quote. I let Teddy speak for himself.
Correct. However, Teddy didn't compose your post title or make the comment about neo-fascism.
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And Yes,, many on this board say if you don't support Bush, you don't support the troops - which is fascist and unpatriotic in nature. Maybe you agree maybe you don't.
While you may find their statement offensive and obviously disagree with them, is it wrong or illegal for them to believe such a thing? If a person believes differently from you, does that difference alone make their belief fascist? I've read many of the posts on this particular subject and perhaps the opinions are not clearly expressed but many people believe that criticizing the president about everything in a war is not supporting the troops to the degree they believe should occur. Bagging on the President for WMD's, not finding bin laden yet, getting faulty intelligence, etc. is viewed by some people as demoralizing to the troops who are presently fighting the war and gives the enemy hope of accomplishing a division of America such as occurred in the Vietnam war. Many people who have argued against the excessive criticism of Bush have also argued that the proper time for this criticism is after the war is concluded and our troops are safely home. You obviously disagree with these statements and beliefs but aren't these people entitled to their beliefs just like you?
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Again, mind reading is not your strong suit and niether is you feeble attempt to put words in my mouth - unimpressive.
If you read my post carefully, I made no reference about attempting to read your mind. I did point out that some other members are likely to respond to such provocative comments and asked if that was the kind of response you were looking for. that would be a question to you, asking what you were thinking. It was NOT an attempt to read your mind. Nor was it an attempt to "put words in your mouth." I simply asked you for further clarification. You have incorrectly chosen to interpret it as some kind of insult or other "feeble" attempt to control your mind.
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Argue with Teddy if you don't like his style -- I'm simply the messenger. Would it make you feel better to shoot me --- or perhaps arrest me for what you seem to feel are my seditious feelings that you THINK you know?
(hehehehehe)
Teddy also made that quote almost a 100 years ago in a different set of circumstances and with a different audience in mind. While it's fun and learned to post pithy quotes from famous people, the context does not always remain the same. I never mentioned shooting or arresting you and have no intention of doing either. Perhaps you are trying to put words in my mouth now?
I don't think your "feelings" (or thoughts) are seditious and instead asked you for clarification of exactly what you were trying to convey with your post. Your response so far has been to belittle me, engage in your own version of attempted mind reading and accuse me of things I haven't done nor intend to do. I'm still waiting for your clarification if you're inclined to do so.
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Ifferd " Yes,, many on this board say if you don't support Bush, you don't support the troops "
I don't count myself among the "many".
When you say "many" what do you mean?
More than one? More than several? Most?
I can tell you I am not a supporter of GWB in general, the only passing grade I give him is that he has the guts to deal with terrorist.
You may think that is a bit of a cop-out but consider this.
S. IL. Hunter recently started a child-like thread concerning the USA making war in Iraq (mostly echoing stealthycat's position).
Consider that GWB began making his stand on Iraq before being re-elected.
It wasn't done to garner votes, if anything it might\did cost him votes.
Yet he stillhad the guts to do it.
GWB didn't adjust his views to garner votes, he stuck by his beliefs even though it was likely to\did cost him votes.
Can you honestly say the same about the other choice the American folks had?
Do you really believe deep down that after Desesrt Storm, Saddam was just going to let by-gones be by-gones?????
If not what would you as the responsable person do about it???
I mean a, works inthereal world, response\action, not justa pie in the sky reply.
In the real world we must all be realist, not just idealist.
Other than the war on murderersI give GWB a failing grade, along with his party.
I give Kerry a 100% failing grade.
Just who and what positions are you calling out on this thread?
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Mr-Pirk
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