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Old 08-01-2005, 04:28 PM   #1
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Today in North Dakota, State wide, Smoking in all Puplic work places is Banned.. I went to the local truck stop for lunch and I could see from one end of the place to the other. The Fog was gone. No more tears, no more watering eyes. This was passed by the state goverment and Bars are the only place exempt. I quess its still ok to assault workers with smoke in Bars. Everywhere else is smoke free. I expect that the exemtion of Bars may trigger some law suits but I may be wrong. Some cities put this in effect several months ago and business owner say that it was very exceptable to a majority of the customers. Some smoking employees will be upset but to my way of thinking its about time that smokers are forced to go somewhere else if they don't like the law instead of the other way around. Fair is fair we can do it this way for 100 years then maybe consider going back to the way it has been. Any other states go this route? State wide I mean?
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Old 08-01-2005, 04:43 PM   #2
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No t yet here- but there working on it - we have many here who aspire to be just like Kalifornia in many ways.[&:]

Burning our 100million ?tons of coal out of here yrly- keeps our school taxes down.Smoke free
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Old 08-01-2005, 06:07 PM   #3
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Texas has not, but Lubbock did a few years back. It's nice to go places and not come out smelling like smoke or having to walk through an entrance with a dozen smokers two feet away puffing till their hearts content.
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Old 08-02-2005, 05:16 AM   #4
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I was listening to an anti smoking add on the radio the other day and they said that by age 5 a child that has smoking parents will have breathed in the equivalent of 100 packs of smokes.
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Old 08-02-2005, 06:18 AM   #5
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More nannyism on the part of goob under the pretext of protecting someone . Workers are just as free to go elsewhere for a job and customers can decide for themselves where to patronize . They're trying to pass such a ban here , and considering that 40% of Kentuckians and 30% of Indiana residents smoke it isn't gonna fly very well . The bar owners alone are already considering legal recourse .

What I can't understand is why they don't just leave it up to the individual business owner , only they know what their own market will accept . I don't condone smoking , I quit last January myself after 30 years , but I wouldn't have the balls to dictate to someone else what to do with their own business . If I don't like the atmoshere at a particular business I take my money somewhere else , it's exactly that simple .

The next step down the line of nannyism is to dictate to ALL what they can and cannot do in public , then what they can do period , and totalitarianism will shortly follow . It's not as far fetched as it may sound .
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Old 08-02-2005, 09:33 AM   #6
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The next step down the line of nannyism is to dictate to ALL what they can and cannot do in public , then what they can do period , and totalitarianism will shortly follow . It's not as far fetched as it may sound .
I'm with kevin1 on this,since I also quit in the last year. Leave it up to the business owner. Federal law prohibits it.....but does anyone think an ALL smoking airline could survive???
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Well I'm not normally one for government intrusion. But given the KNOWN dangers of second-hand smoke, I do think that smoking should be banned from such places. I personally think it would be a good idea to take it a step further: Place cigs on the list of controlled substances.

I enjoy a good cigar four or five times a week, but there is ZERO excuse for smokers puffing in public. It's not enough that many cancers can be linked to smoking - not to mention heart disease, diseases of the lungs and a host of other ailments. If folks want to do something so detrimental to their health, let them do it in PRIVATE. I couldn't care less. But we now know way too much about second-hand smoke . . . I saw a study recently that found that people who smoke are responsible for altering the DNA of their GRANDCHILDREN who won't even be born for years to come.

Ban it.
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Old 08-02-2005, 10:34 AM   #8
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Well I'm not normally one for government intrusion. But given the KNOWN dangers of second-hand smoke, I do think that smoking should be banned from such places. I personally think it would be a good idea to take it a step further: Place cigs on the list of controlled substances.

I enjoy a good cigar four or five times a week, but there is ZERO excuse for smokers puffing in public. It's not enough that many cancers can be linked to smoking - not to mention heart disease, diseases of the lungs and a host of other ailments. If folks want to do something so detrimental to their health, let them do it in PRIVATE. I couldn't care less. But we now know way too much about second-hand smoke . . . I saw a study recently that found that people who smoke are responsible for altering the DNA of their GRANDCHILDREN who won't even be born for years to come.

Ban it.
If you don't like to patronize businesses that allow smoking all you have to do is leave . Be sure to tell the manager why you're leaving , believe me , they'll want to know .

Secondhand smoke is only dangerous if you're there to breathe it . To use protecting the business' employees and customers is still nannyism and a total cop out since both are free to go elsewhere . I don't like stores that sell scented candles , and gawd only knows what all that perfume in them is doing to their employee's lungs , but I'm not crusading to shut them down or make them change the way they do their business . It's none of my business because I'm not the one who's livelihood is being threatened .
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Old 08-02-2005, 11:16 AM   #9
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I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading here. Gun owners in favor of limiting personal control of PRIVATE PROPERTY!

I don't smoke, and never have but it offends me when people get high and mighty about smoking. If you don't like it, then don't go where people are allowed to smoke!! What business it of yours to make business decisions for a business owner? It aint! And for the second hand smoke stuff, I think most of that is junk science.

These anti-gun nuts use the same type of logic for their shinnanigans.
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Well I'm not normally one for government intrusion. But given the KNOWN dangers of second-hand smoke, I do think that smoking should be banned from such places. I personally think it would be a good idea to take it a step further: Place cigs on the list of controlled substances.

I enjoy a good cigar four or five times a week, but there is ZERO excuse for smokers puffing in public. It's not enough that many cancers can be linked to smoking - not to mention heart disease, diseases of the lungs and a host of other ailments. If folks want to do something so detrimental to their health, let them do it in PRIVATE. I couldn't care less. But we now know way too much about second-hand smoke . . . I saw a study recently that found that people who smoke are responsible for altering the DNA of their GRANDCHILDREN who won't even be born for years to come.

Ban it.
Same here. No reason to keep tobacco legal when marijuana is not.
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