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Old 07-19-2005, 08:27 AM   #1
 
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WTF... now we see "Christians" who are CLEARLY crossing the 1st Amendment line by denying Catholics adoptive services? Wow, if the RCC did this there would be a firestorm of criticism....


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050715/ap_on_re_us/adoption_catholics

JACKSON, Miss. - A Christian adoption agency that receives money from Choose Life license plate fees said it does not place children with Roman Catholic couples because their religion conflicts with the agency's "Statement of Faith."

Bethany Christian Services stated the policy in a letter to a Jackson couple this month, and another Mississippi couple said they were rejected for the same reason last year.
"It has been our understanding that Catholicism does not agree with our Statement of Faith," Bethany's state director Karen Stewart wrote. "Our practice to not accept applications from Catholics was an effort to be good stewards of an adoptive applicant's time, money and emotional energy."
Sandy and Robert Steadman, who learned of Bethany's decision in a July 8 letter, said their priest told them the faith statement did not conflict with Catholic teaching.
Loria Williams of nearby Ridgeland said she and her husband, Wes, had a similar experience when they started to pursue an adoption in September 2004.
"I can't believe an agency that's nationwide would act like this," Loria Williams said. "There was an agency who was Christian based but wasn't willing to help people across the board."
Bethany, based in Grand Rapids, Mich., has 75 offices in 30 states, including three in Mississippi. The offices are independently incorporated and are affiliated with various religions, spokesman John Van Valkenburg said from the agency headquarters. He couldn't say whether any were Catholic-affiliated.
He said the Jackson office is affiliated with the Presbyterian Church of America.
"They included this practice of not including Catholics," Van Valkenburg said Friday.
Stewart told the Jackson Clarion-Ledger that Bethany's board will review its policy, but she didn't specify which aspects will be addressed.
The agency's Web site says all Bethany staff and adoptive applicants personally agree with the faith statement, which describes belief in the Christian Church and the Scripture. It does not refer to any specific branches of Christianity.
"As the Savior, Jesus takes away the sins of the world," the statement says in part. "Jesus is the one in whom we are called to put our hope, our only hope for forgiveness of sin and for reconciliation with God and with one another."
Sandy Steadman said she was hurt and disappointed that Bethany received funds from the Choose Life car license plates. "I know of a lot of Catholics who get those tags," she said.
She added: "If it's OK to accept our money, it should be OK to open your home to us as a family."
Bethany is one of 24 adoption and pregnancy counseling centers in Mississippi that receives money from the sale of Choose Life tags, a special plate that motorists can obtain with an extra fee.
Of $244,000 generated by the sale of the tags in 2004, Bethany received $7,053, said Geraldine Gray, treasurer of Choose Life Mississippi, which distributes the money.
"It is troubling to me if they are discriminating based on only the Catholics," Gray said.
The Bethany spokesman, van Valkenburg, said the offices in Mississippi do not receive any public money, but that some offices in other states do, for example, because they are involved in foster care.


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Old 07-19-2005, 08:28 AM   #2
 
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I'm wondering what would happen if the hospitals that are run by the Catholic church: (any hospital that has the title SAINT .... is run by the catholics) denied access to Baptists, Jews etc.

What a crock of crappola.
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Old 07-19-2005, 08:37 AM   #3
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You obviously haven't visited the hunting and religion board lately or you would know RCC aren't really Christians.

So basically they consider you as low as they do homosexuals?
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Old 07-19-2005, 09:22 AM   #4
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I read the Statement of Faith and didn't findanything that conflicted with Catholicism.

That is unless you take a closer look at the word "Scripture". Perhaps the Protestants leading this agency don't care for what the Catholic Good News Bible has to say?
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:25 AM   #5
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i'm shocked, shocked to learn that this has occurred.

if you accept government money, you can't make these kinds of value judgments. that should be the end of it. if you're a faith based organization, and you don't like it, don't accept the $$$.
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And they enter thefield of battle with their double standard proudly waving ...
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:46 AM   #7
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You obviously haven't visited the hunting and religion board lately or you would know RCC aren't really Christians.

So basically they consider you as low as they do homosexuals?
Charlie I am surprised at you making such a blanket statement, you know better then that, do not get me wrong a lot of the folks there do talk the talk of a Christian, but they fail to walk the walk, but not all of them.

BTW tard I understand your outrage, I can see this winding up in court and rightly so.
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:48 AM   #8
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Taz,I thought this would indicate it wasn't a totally serious post.
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:52 AM   #9
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I do think the name of that board needs to be changed to the "I'm saved and your not forum."
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It sounds like that agency needs to review their policy. I can understand wanting an adopted child to have a christian family rear them but excluding Catholics is ridiculous. I am a huge critic of the RCC's utter failure to address the pedophile priest problem but do not for a minute blame catholic families for that problem. Most catholic families are fine, upstanding people and would make good adoptive parents.
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