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Old 06-29-2005, 11:52 AM   #1
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http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/06/20050628-7.html

What did you guys think? First of all, it was a good review of all the work we've accomplished in the past few years, and I appreciatedthe 'attaboy' he gave our military.Also, I was relieved to hear that he's not even thinking of pulling out until the job is done. But to be honest I was extremely disappointed byhis lack of stronger leadership and his failure to lay out specific goals, along with the steps needed to accomplish them.

I can understand why he thinks it's best to leave the war's operation to the Pentagon and the commanders on the ground in Iraq. However, it's the President's job to keep them in check and make sure the country (i.e. people back home) holds together through the tough times. I wonder where we would've been in 1945 if FDR had told the War Department to do things as they see fit and then turned his back to start talking about SS reform and a Constitutional marriage amendment.

The President is there because we hired him, and we expect him to lead the way for the rest of us and let us know how we're doing. Now perhaps he's focusing on Iraq more than we see, but that right there is a problem. He generally avoids press conferences and speeches, but this is wartime. He has to be up there letting us know how we're progressing. But something tells me he's not going to have a Fireside Chat with us any time soon.

Furthermore, he went over the same vague routine about training the Iraqi police and military so we can start to disengage our personnel. I can see that some Iraqi forcesare rockin' and rollin' while others are still getting their acts together. Now what ideas does the President have to speed up the process? How are we going to further disrupt and destroy terrorist operations, particularly those based in Syria and Iran? We need a plan that the nation can get behind, notlive day to day killing a few nutballs here and a few whackjobs there with no end in sight.

So, in summary, it was a good address. Just not good enough....
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I saw about 5 minutes of it before I felt like heaving so I turned it off.

All recent polls and congressional republicans have told bush that the #1 issue on the minds of the voting public is THE BORDER.

Yet he still sits around and rationalizes his retardedness.
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Old 06-29-2005, 01:23 PM   #3
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I thought it was a good address. I don't understand why you're requiring so many specifics from President Bush in a speech. A blueprint or outline of the training regimen for the Iraqi police would doubtless fill up an entire book with all of the intricate details, planning, course outlines, proficiency tests, combat plans, patrol strategies, etc. It is the military's job to design and impliment all of that, not the President's job. Also, why do you want President Bush to share all of that information publicly when it is obvious that the terrorists would use it to redesign their terrorist acts for increased success? I, too, like to hear specifics but not at the expense of the military's mission or safety.

I have been hearing the same talking points from many of the democrats and not one of them has any alternative other than pull out and run which would result in another Vietnam due to politicians trying to run a war with no job experience and little to no training in that area.
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oh...that's not what you meant....

seriously though, i didn't see it, i was at karate.
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oh...that's not what you meant....

seriously though, i didn't see it, i was at karate.
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I thought it was a good address. I don't understand why you're requiring so many specifics from President Bush in a speech. A blueprint or outline of the training regimen for the Iraqi police would doubtless fill up an entire book with all of the intricate details, planning, course outlines, proficiency tests, combat plans, patrol strategies, etc. It is the military's job to design and impliment all of that, not the President's job. Also, why do you want President Bush to share all of that information publicly when it is obvious that the terrorists would use it to redesign their terrorist acts for increased success? I, too, like to hear specifics but not at the expense of the military's mission or safety.
It's not so much that I want specific details, but that I want to hear something I haven't already heard before. I learned absolutely nothing from the speech. All it did was reinforce the principlesthat he and his supporters have already subscribed to.

And there's no doubt that highly detailed plans for the build-up of Iraqi security forces and infrastructure would play into the hands of our enemies. I certainly would've been horrified if he'd given information that could potentially weaken our efforts over there. But, on the other hand, I sure would've liked to hear something new and inspiring about how much stronger we've become in the war against these scumbags.

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I have been hearing the same talking points from many of the democrats and not one of them has any alternative other than pull out and run which would result in another Vietnam due to politicians trying to run a war with no job experience and little to no training in that area.
Yep, same old story. They had their chance to learn from their mistakes this past election, but I get the feeling they're just going to keep pushing their version of socialism and keep hating those who have some realistic view of how the world works.
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I thought it was good. But my understanding is that the problem is originiating in Iran and Syria. Unless we do something about that, we can fight this war forever. I wished he had at least mentioned them. But I'm sure he doesn't want to interfere with the EU's negotiations with Iran.

Iran and Syrai are like the elephant in the living room to me.

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I thought it was good. But my understanding is that the problem is originiating in Iran and Syria. Unless we do something about that, we can fight this war forever. I wished he had at least mentioned them. But I'm sure he doesn't want to interfere with the EU's negotiations with Iran.

Iran and Syrai are like the elephant in the living room to me.
I think Israel is looking at taking care of Iran's nuclear issue. Also, Iran is having a huge struggle between moderates and hardliners right now. It's dicey for us to support them because they sure need the help but you wonder if our support won't cost them Iranian citizens support. Syria is almost getting to the same point with regard to Israel and even to the US needing to roll their crappy little country up.
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But, on the other hand, I sure would've liked to hear something new and inspiring about how much stronger we've become in the war against these scumbags.
It would have been nice but would have been the wrong forum and would have lengthened the speech to a couple hours or so. The proper format would be a video documentary from the military and civilian team inside Iraq, showing us all of the real progress we've truly made. then you could get the details you want, not compromise military operations and also see for yourself what has been done.
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