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Old 06-26-2005, 12:49 PM   #1
 
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Ihad the opportunity the other day to watch a most enlightening program broadcast by UCTV. The one-hour program was called "How Unequal Can America Get Before We Snap?" presented by President Clinton's former labor secretary Robert Reich.

"Inequality of income, wealth, and opportunity in America is wider now than it's been since the 1920s, and by some measures since the late 19th century. Yet the nation seems unable or unwilling to do much of anything to reverse these trends. What happens if we allow the trends to continue? Will they "naturally" reverse themselves? Or will we get to a point where disparities are so wide that we finally find the political will to take action? Alternatively, will the disparities themselves grow so wide as to discourage action, by fostering resignation among the losers and indifference among the winners? And if the latter, where will it all lead?" SOURCE: Goldman School of Public Policy UC, Berkley
[/align][/align]The presentation made excellent use of economic graphs to demonstrate how large of a gap has developed between the upper class and the middle class (not to mention the lower class) with regards to income, wealth, and opportunity in the United States between the years 1962 to the present. The trends are alarming to say the least. The speaker correctly points to birthright as the beginning of the disparity that allows for advantages in everything from diet and healthcare to education and connections. Being born into a middle-class family myself, I have truly benefited from my birthright in terms of these advantages right from the starting gate. Some people would argue that many a poor person has risen up by their "own boot straps" but I would argue that in today's society, most (not all) poor people can only rise up with a good pair of athletic shoes or a willingness to sell drugs. Otherwise they have to remain content with working in the service industry for comparatively lower wages than their upper-class counterparts. Mr. Reich further points out that one of the elements keeping our society glued together is the belief or perception by the lower class that opportunity in this country still exists and that if one is willing to work hard, they can be successful.[/align][/align]The speaker talks of two potential outcomes for this growing disparity. He uses the metaphor of the rubber band to illustrate his point. Our society will either "snap back" with a series of reforms supported by all three classes and the government to regain a sense of fairness when it comes to income, wealth, and opportunity in the United States. This has occurred at least once before in the history of our country during a time referred to as the progressive movement. The other potential outcome is for our society to "snap break" whereby this country exists with two entirely different societies. The problem with the latter outcome is that it often leads to the arrival of a demagogue who plays upon the emotions of the middle and lower classes all for the hidden intention of personal gain. We have seen this all too often in history with the likes of Napoleon, Mussolini, Hitler, Lenin etcetera. Mr. Reich suggests somehow that the upper class are not a group with malicious intent but rather are nothing more than a naive self-indulgent class of people who don't know any better. Here I beg to differ. I believe the upper class is guilty of a careless disregard for their fellow countrymen. They have the arrogance to believe they are superior and deserving of extravagance regardless of how they attained it and regardless of how it affects the rest of society. Once again, history shows us what happened to those monarchs who behaved the same way. Do I think there will be a violent revolution in this country? I hope not. Do I prefer a new progressive movement over even a peaceful revolution? Absolutely. My fear however, is that we are already rapidly approaching the point of "critical mass" beyond which there is no turning back. The question today before the American people is what areYOU prepared to do?[/align][/align]
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The question today before the American people is what are YOU prepared to do?
Personally? I am prepared to crack open my 7th beer of the day and hope things work out for the best.

Hey, I do what I can.
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"SOURCE: Goldman School of Public Policy UC, Berkley"


That pretty much sums it up doesn't it? What a left wing liberal clown! UC, Berkley ha ha ha ha ha!
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Old 06-26-2005, 08:05 PM   #4
 
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i hope none of you actually believe those lies. Of coarse the liberal left is going to say anything they can to make it seem that the republicans only desire is to get rich and rise to power. And every person that truly wants to can have a nice life maybe not a rich but a fairly good one. That article is nothing but lies.
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I won't revolt until McDonalds starts selling cold Big Macs.
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good points...
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Old 07-11-2005, 09:02 PM   #7
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Ahh yessss...let's just call'em names, make fun of the speakers and dismiss the facts.

"Facts, schmacts...I let Faux News do my thinking. How can someone be conservative when they don't agree with me & the TV?"
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I disagreeon severalpoints. First, I still beleive the opportunity to realize the so-called "American dream" is still alive and well. With the right combination of luck, skill, and ambition, the bounds are still limitless. Since I was not born into the upper crust, and I am not atheletic, if I do eventually get there it must be because I was selling drugs? I don't think so.

Second, not everybody can be in the "upper class". There isn't enough room in the economy for everyone to be living the high life. The world still needs ditchdiggers, too.

Third, if birthright is a crime, then all Americans are guilty. After all,wewere fortunateenough to be born inAmerica. We have the highest purchasing power parity of any nation in the world.Being a middle class American sure beats the hell out of being in the middle class most other places.

Finally, the upper class is neither naive or guilty ofcareless disregard. What keeps an economy ticking is people wanting more. Tring to be more efficient, make more profit, etc. There is nothing wrong with wanting to continually better your life, but there is something wrong when you become jealous of your neighbor's ability to better his.
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What I find particularily pathetic at these "journalistic" attempts to pull at heart strings is that they never mention the ultimate causes of "poverty" (which is virtually non existent in my mind in the US, poverty here = great wealth elsewhere in the world).

These causes are most often associated with the following:

- Dropping out of school ie: no high school degree
- Single motherhood
- drug addiction
- criminal record

Hell, it's getting to the point that being a citizen is a drawback due to the massive federal giveaways to losers, illegals and over breeders.
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