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Old 06-20-2005, 09:08 PM   #1
 
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Rape and Evolution
by Kyle Butt, M.A.





On February 12, 1998, William Provine, a professor in the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at the distinguished Cornell University, took to the podium on the campus of the University of Tennessee in Knoxville, Tennessee. He was invited there to deliver the keynote address at the second annual Darwin Day, a day dedicated to commemorating the life and teachings of Charles Darwin. In an abstract of that speech, on the Darwin Day Website, his introductory comments are recorded in the following words:
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Naturalistic evolution has clear consequences that Charles Darwin understood perfectly. 1) No gods worth having exist; 2) no life after death exists; 3) no ultimate foundation for ethics exists; 4) no ultimate meaning in life exists; and 5) human free will is nonexistent (Provine, 1998).[/blockquote]
Provine"s ensuing message centered on his fifth statement regarding human free will. Prior to delving into the "meat" of his message, however, he noted: "The first 4 implications are so obvious to modern naturalistic evolutionists that I will spend little time defending them" (Provine, 1998).
It is clear then, from Provine"s comments, that he believes naturalistic evolution has no way to produce an "ultimate foundation for ethics." And it is equally as clear that this sentiment was so apparent to "modern naturalistic evolutionists" that Mr. Provine did not feel it even needed to be defended.
Provine"s comments provide an excellent springboard from which to examine the logical consequences of belief in naturalistic evolution. If it is true that naturalistic evolution cannot provide an ultimate foundation for determining the difference between actions that are right and ones that are wrong, then the door is wide open for subjective speculation about all human behavior.
Working under this assumption (of naturalistic evolution), and knowing the ethical implications of such, Randy Thornhill and Craig T. Palmer co-authored a book title A Natural History of Rape, published by the MIT Press in 2000. In their preface they state that they "would like to see rape eradicated from human life" (p. xi). A noble thought"to eradicate such a detestable practice. Their self-professed purpose is to educate their readers as to the causes of rape. They feel this education will help their readers understand rape better, and be better equipped to initiate programs that will prevent it more efficiently than the current programs.
Yet, as noble as their suggested aim may be, Thornhill and Palmer embark on an impossible task. Since they apply naturalistic, evolutionary thinking to rape, they are forced to say, in essence, that there is really nothing ultimately wrong with the practice (although they do not like it and want to see it eradicated). In the third chapter titled, "Why Do Men Rape?," the authors note:
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The males of most species"including humans"are usually more eager to mate than the females, and this enables females to choose among males who are competing with one another for access to them. But getting chosen is not the only way to gain sexual access to females. In rape, the male circumvents the female"s choice (Thornhill and Palmer, p. 53).[/blockquote]
Comparing humans with animal species, the authors view rape as a natural way for males to circumvent the selection process. In fact, they claim: "Human rape arises from men"s evolved machinery for obtaining a high number of mates in an environment where females choose mates" (p. 190, emp. added). They further state that "[e]volutionary theory applies to rape, as it does to other areas of human affairs, on both logical and evidentiary grounds. There is no legitimate scientific reason not to apply evolutionary or ultimate hypotheses to rape" (p. 55). In their proposed "scientific" evolutionary reasons why men rape women, they suggest that in some cases heavy metals such as lead "disrupt psychological adaptations of impulse control," which may lead to a "higher rate of criminality" (p. 58). They state, "[l]ead may account for certain cases of rape, just as mutations may" (p. 58). Thus, rape may simply be caused when a male of a species is exposed to an excess of some type of heavy metal like lead.
The problem with this line of thinking is that it flies in the face of everything humans know about moral and immoral decisions. Furthermore, it transforms a vicious, morally reprehensible activity into something that may occasionally be caused by too much lead in the environment. Such "scientific" explanations for an immoral action like rape are absolutely unsatisfactory. When boiled down to its essence, as Thornhill and Palmer have so well illustrated, naturalistic evolution can never claim that any activity is wrong in an ultimate sense. This being the case, any action that a person chooses to do would be considered just as morally right as any other action, since all human behavior would be the by-product of evolution.
Such a quagmire of moral misconception would ultimately lead any society to utter ruin. Every civilization in the history of humankind has recognized certain actions as ultimately right and other actions as ultimately wrong. This recognition is only attainable based on the idea that there is an ultimate moral standard that is higher than any single individual and that wields jurisdiction beyond any regional boundary. The concept of God is the only rational explanation behind an ultimate moral standard.
When the concept of God is eradicated from a philosophy or society, that philosophy or society cuts off its ability to make any moral decisions. In turn, it forfeits the ability to "eradicate" such actions as rape, theft, murder, or any other immoral vice. When the Bible succinctly stated, "The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God," they are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none who does good" (Psalm 14:1), it offered accurate divine commentary on every person, society, or philosophy that would abandon the notion of God""They are corrupt."
In truth, the false philosophy of naturalistic evolution fails on many accounts, not the least of which is its inability to provide a foundation for ethics. The denial of a divine ultimate standard of morality throws one into hopeless confusion about how actions such as rape should be viewed. Naturalistic evolutionists who are honest with their theory"s implications can say they don"t like things like rape, or they think its best that rape be stopped, or that they think it might be more beneficial to the majority for the action to be limited or eradicated, but they have no grounds on which to say it is absolutely, morally wrong.
In stark contrast to the foundationless ethics of naturalistic philosophy, the concept of God provides the perfect rationale on which to base moral determinations. There is a God who sees both "the evil and the good" (Proverbs 15:3). He will call every person into account for his or her actions (Revelation 20:12-15). Therefore each individual is responsible to that God for any actions he or she has committed in violation of His moral standard found in the Bible (Ephesians 3:3-4). Rape and other such heinous crimes against humanity are not biological, evolutionary by-products passed down to humans from some mammalian precursor, nor are such crimes biological "malfunctions" caused by exposure to an excess of a certain heavy metal like lead. Such actions are sinful, morally reprehensible crimes against humanity and against God by individuals who have chosen to ignore the ultimate moral standard God manifested in His Son Jesus Christ and recorded in His Word, the Bible.[align=center]REFERENCES [/align]Provine, William (1998), "Evolution: Free Will and Punishment and Meaning in Life," [On-line], URL: http://eeb.bio.utk.edu/darwin/Darwin...ineAddress.htm.
Thornhill, Randy and Craig T. Palmer (2000), A Natural History of Rape (Cambridge, MA: MIT Press).
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Old 06-20-2005, 10:13 PM   #2
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Moose it would first have to determined if moral law could be derived by a evoluved mankind or would God be neccessay to give moral guidance.
I would offer the South American Amazoinian Headhunter tribes as an example, they kill innocent people, but they do so in the context of what is moral in thier trible view.

A better approach to getting to your point acrossIMO would be to review the math behind accepting apurely evolutionary world and appling the math to prove or dis-prove the Christian bible as a fraud.

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I find this whole arguement rather silly. The author makes some HUGE quantum leaps. The author is not a PhD., nor even an athropologist, or ethologist that I can see, just an M.A.-- liberal arts?

To state that only human society has rules which must come from some higher God or we will disentegrateis ridiculous. Watch two dogs play, they have rules, if you are smart enough to read them. Have you ever had a bithc whelp a litter of pups? Watch her. She has rules and she knows how to get her point across very well. Elephant herds have rules, I don't think that they are evangelical. Ant colonies have segregation of duties, as do bees, termites, etc.

The whole "beast are savage, without God we will revert to their status" is bunk. A troop of chimpanzees has a leader. If he is benovelent, and rules fairly, he is defended and respected by his peers. If he is a tyrant, his rule is usually very short.

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so you think you are an animal. Like others on here.
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Yes, I do think I am an animal, like others on here. Other than a huge capacity for learning that other animals have not acquired, I think I have a hell of lot in common with a rat, dog, monkey, etc. In fact, I think I have more in common with them biologically, psychologically , and physiologically speaking than I don't have in common with them. I have seen people die, and I never saw some light come out of there mouth and go to heaven or hell for that matter. I see more wars and human bloodshed spread in the name of God than any other. At least I could understand a war over territory or natural resoucrces....but religiuos beliefs?
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Hey Moose, how come you left out the Lady Phd.'s statements on this discussion on Darwin Day in 1998?? Hmmmm???? Looks like Kyle Butt lived up to his name, and took (again) the discussion about 2 evolutionists takingopposite sides of materilistic evolution as a basis for academic discussion of roots of behavior, and yes William Provine is an atheist, however his science is very good. Who is the Lady Phd. in your cut and paste job here Moose? Who is she? Don't know do you?

Good research[&o][&o][&o]dude. Glad you are not in charge of my families education.
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Why dont you tell us all about it Mark? Also why do you rape or not rape others?
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It is your cut and paste, you tell me. And you insinuation of others being rapists with carefully parsed words is not very christian of you. BTW, check your PM, I just gatv you a private butt chewing.
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lol that you did but no harm done here.Do you see the point now?
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Another one of those -only those with the Christian gods have morals-
All else are evolutionists,cult members,heathens& believers in false gods etc & with little or nomorals?Seems many ppl here & relgions around the world seem to know rape& murderas wrong & have laws reflecting that..(nonchristians,nonbelievers)
And rape& murder etc are commited in society by so called christians-even tho they know these things wrong based on therechristian morals.(and the laws)

Maybe they rationalize- All are sinners- all sin is the same- murder/rape or that extra piece of pie?All sin forgiveable but one?

How many of the rapists, murders& scum in prison-then find Jesus in prison& are counted in those ranks- when very few in reality change there ways& life.? Backsliders? Once saved always saved? No ones perfect/only human-(they did the words& the water )-just dont make a big habbit out of that sinning-(rape/murder- / extra pie&icecream- a extra beer?

But i can see where we are ALL sinners- no matter what book we read or words we mouth.
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