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Old 06-17-2005, 07:52 AM   #1
 
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Madison - The state Assembly late Thursday narrowly passed a bill that would prohibit University of Wisconsin System health clinics from advertising, prescribing or dispensing the morning-after pill to students.
Gov. Jim Doyle said Thursday that he would veto the emergency contraception bill if it reaches his desk; he said he views it as "the Legislature making medical decisions for people."
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Old 06-17-2005, 08:01 AM   #2
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I wouldn't have a problem with campus health services prescribing the morning after pill so long as the student receiving it pays100% of the costs. Using tax money so subsidize birth control is utter BS.
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I wouldn't have a problem with campus health services prescribing the morning after pill so long as the student receiving it pays100% of the costs. Using tax money so subsidize birth control is utter BS.

1) The function of a school is to train the mind, not the crotch.

2) Whether the student pays for it or not is inconsequential, this should not be on any publicly funded campus. The student's crotch well being is not the function of a school.

3) this is not "birth control", the morning after pill is an Abortifacient, hence the schools would be providing abortions for students.
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Old 06-17-2005, 08:19 AM   #4
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1) The function of a school is to train the mind, not the crotch.
The job of the school health service is to provide medical treatment to students. Make the students (or their insurance company) pay for all costs related to birth control and there is no issue.

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2) Whether the student pays for it or not is inconsequential, this should not be on any publicly funded campus. The student's crotch well being is not the function of a school.
Why not? As long as the drug itself is not publicly funded, what do you care as a taxpayer? Students have to be well in order to maximize their education, no?

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3) this is not "birth control", the morning after pill is an Abortifacient, hence the schools would be providing abortions for students.
It's literally controlling birth from occuring. I don't care exactly how it works as long as the woman using it has a prescription from her doctor. It's none of our business.
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The job of the school health service is to provide medical treatment to students.
An abortion is an elective procedure. By your reasoning the taxpayers/schools should provide face-lifts and nose jobsfor students

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Why not? As long as the drug itself is not publicly funded, what do you care as a taxpayer?
Because even having the pills in the hands of public employees to dole out to children and young adults is the same as condoning it. It is not their function, hence they should not be allowed to even broach the subject.

How about a brothel on campus, as long as the students pay for the hookers?


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It's literally controlling birth from occuring. I don't care exactly how it works as long as the woman using it has a prescription from her doctor. It's none of our business.
Traditional birth control prevents fertilization. The "morning after pill" prevents implantation of a fertilized egg -- by definition an abortifacient.

If what the students do is "none of our business" then the "our" must also encompass the PUBLICLY funded schools. Hence by your own hand you have said that the public schools should stay out of the business of concerning themselves with students crotches.

And I would concur.
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Traditional birth control prevents fertilization. The "morning after pill" prevents implantation of a fertilized egg -- by definition an abortifacient.
As do many of the pills on the market,many work both ways don't they?

If a school can't give out an aspirin with out parental approval, no one should be allowed on campus to hand out perscription drugs.
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As do many of the pills on the market,many work both ways don't they?
Nah, typical birth control like "the pill" prevents ovulation etc. most are merely hormones to control ovulation etc.

RU486 and the new M pill (i can't remember it's exact name, its M <something&gt prevent implantation. UW system is talking about this new "M" pill.

I for the life of me can't see how anyone in their right frame of mind could condone a public school even carrying something like this much less doling it out to students.

UW system is by far the biggest money pig (represents about 35% of the states entire budget) filled with some of the furthest left leaning fascist/communists I have ever seen in my life. A nuke would be too good for them.
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Old 06-17-2005, 09:11 AM   #8
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I thought I was right.I'll find more info. This is frfom a Christian site.


When reading the article on the main site about the morning-after pills offered in clinics, I found curious a particular quote that could have some interesting ramifications if applied to pro-life women who take birth control pills.

"We define life as beginning at conception. They are trying to redefine pregnancy as beginning when the embryo attaches to the wall of uteruses a few days later," Giles said.

Birth control pills, a form of hormonal contreception, use synthetic hormones to trick the woman's body into preventing pregnancy because of the hormone levels in the blood. It does this is a three-fold way. 1)In some cases, it prevents ovulation. 2) When ovulation does occur, it sometimes prevents the sperm from penetrating an egg because of an extra mucus layer. 3) When an egg is fertilized, the hormone levels either prevent the fertilized egg from attaching to the lining of the uterus, or disrupts the implantation and causes the attached embryo to become unattached.

If life (or personhood) is defined as beginning at conception, then stages 1 and 2 could be classified as contraception while stage 3 would be classified as abortion.

If life (or personhood) is defined as beginning when the fertilized egg attaches to the wall of the uterus, then there is still potential for abortion at stage 3, as birth control pills sometime cause an attached embryo to become unattached from the wall of the uterus.

Thus, if one accepts either definition for the beginning of life (or personhood), then one must also accept that birth control pills sometime work by abortifacient mechanism and not simply by contraceptive mechanism.

I am wondering how pro-life women using hormone contraception facilitate a definition of life as beginning at either conception(fertilization) or implantation with the actual mechanism of hormonal birth control that sometimes disrupt the process after fertilization or after inplantation.

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