Lots of preschoolers getting kicked out of school

[burniegoeasily]

Should preschool kids get kicked out of school for bad behavior. In one of our elementary schools, we had to kick a preschool kid out of school. What lead to this was the child threatening another child. He said he should kill him. Was the school right in removing this child?

[ButchA]

Honest? Yes, by all means. Burnie, you should talk to my wife Margaret about daycare issues. She could tell you some stories that would stand your hair up on end!

It all boils down to how the parents raise their kids. That is the key right there. If a kid can get away with virtually everything and thinks he can do no wrong, then yes, he will have problems later on.

Butch A.

[Tazman]

Burnie I would rather see the kid get the boot then the rest of a class suffer because of a bad egg!

What the school did is force the parent to be a parent!!! Which obviously if little Johnny was threatening to kill someone his parents were not being parents or the child has mental problems and needs to be treated.

[quiksilver]

I don't think schools should be expelling pre-schoolers, and here's why.

Let's face it, a lot of Americans are bad parents. They do not discipline, educate and/or train their children at home. My fiancee has been subbing in a public, all-day Kindergarten with 26 students. While some of the kids are well-behaved, it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch and throw the entire classroom into complete chaos.

Now it's my understanding that Kindergarten geared more toward teaching these kids how to assimilate into the curriculum and make them "teachable" for the first grade teachers.

Preschool is just an extension of Kindergarten. They're trying to lay down the groundrules for these kids - and instill some very basic understanding of sharing, letting other people speak, staying on task, etc. For the "bad kids" preschool is especially vital, because they need more work and attention if they're going to be "teachable" by the time they're in first grade.

It's counterproductive to throw a bad kid out of preschool. He's only going to be a bigger problem in Kindergarten, way behind in first grade, and so forth. It's a vicious cycle.

These kids need special attention early on, even if they are a total Pain in the petootie.

That's why I'm not an elementary teacher, b/c I would flip out and wanna strangle the kid. It takes a special person to deal with these heathens.

[Tazman]

quiksilver do you feel that the schools should do the parents job?

I have raised 5 kids, notice I said raised, not had. I am a parent, my children may not have been perfect angels all the time in school, but you can bet your bottom dollar that when they messed up they knew there were consequences to be paid when they came home.

I can assure you that the child burnie is speaking of must have been a hellion!!!! Death threats especially from a pre-schoolers indicates that the child's parents are not parents!

It is not the school systems responsibilty to raise children, it is thier responsibility to teach them!

[boysda]

a lot depends on the context.
when i was a kid, some kids threatened to kill each other all the time. it wasnt't a serious threat, and none of them had accompanying behavioral problems.

if the kid in question has a bunch of other "issues", i don't have a problem with the discipline.

[burniegoeasily]

Preschool is just an extension of Kindergarten. They're trying to lay down the groundrules for these kids - and instill some very basic understanding of sharing, letting other people speak, staying on task, etc. For the "bad kids" preschool is especially vital, because they need more work and attention if they're going to be "teachable" by the time they're in first grade.

It's counterproductive to throw a bad kid out of preschool. He's only going to be a bigger problem in Kindergarten, way behind in first grade, and so forth. It's a vicious cycle.

I understand what you are saying, but to let all suffer because of one is the issue, as well as the severity of the offenses. I was not going to disclose the full reason this kid I speak of was expelled just yet, but I guess I will. The threat did not get him expelled. It was addressed with the parents and the parents started blaming the school for all of their personal ills. What finally go the kid kicked out was when he showed up at school the following day brandishing a knife.

My point, when did things get to this point with kids. The problems are not the typical load mouth, not minding kids we grew up with. We have kids bringing weapons to school, attacking teachers, etc. at a preschool age. With parents justifying their kids actions. It is a totally different world we live in now a days.

[Tazman]

Thanks for the details Burnie, they back up exactly what I felt was going on.

The parents expect the school to raise thier child, they are not parents!!!!

[boysda]

ORIGINAL: burniegoeasily
What finally go the kid kicked out was when he showed up at school the following day brandishing a knife.

holy ****h...

[burniegoeasily]

ORIGINAL: boysda

a lot depends on the context.
when i was a kid, some kids threatened to kill each other all the time. it wasnt't a serious threat, and none of them had accompanying behavioral problems.

if the kid in question has a bunch of other "issues", i don't have a problem with the discipline.

I personally think no threat should go unheeded. The idea, "Kids threaten each other all the time", has lead to Columbind, Paduca, etc. etc. . I dont think one kids life is worth less than the inconvience of addressing threats with imediate attention. Besides, it is illegal to threaten someone. Kids need to know and understand this by what ever means is available.