thanks for the inputs!, had not conceder the ziess but after reading about the rf in them they are looking not as expensive as they were before!, right now Im using a pair of bruntons 10X42 that I have' from almost 10 years and have been happy with, but the option of having a rf in the same place is great, have used the lupolds 8X32 and they are really good at close range, but couse deers at 400 yards are difficult to judge with ether set, that is way the 15X sounds good.
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