RE: shotgun scope
Hey Buckmastermn, I know you asked about two specific scopes but let me throw this out for your consideration anyway. Two years ago I bought a Simmons 4x ProDiamond shotgun scope for one of my muzzleloaders. I was so impressed with its clarity andeye relief, and the repeatability of its adjustments that I've since acquired two more. All three are on muzzle loaders, one of which is a little Omega X7 (a pretty hard kicker with stout loads). I haven't had a bit of trouble with any of the three and remain quite satisfied with them. They don't cost much either.
http://www.natchezss.com/brand.cfm?contentID=productDetail&brand=SN& ;category=0&prodID=SN517793
EDIT: Here's what one looks like on the X7.
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