NY Landowners - permits

farm hunter · 09-16-2002, 10:27 PM

Just in case it happens to someone on this forum....

My father is the landowner for the property we hunt. He applied for the super sportsman liscence, plus used his option to apply for a landowners permit, for doe. He was denied.

This is kind of unheard of for NY, as a landowner (of 50 acres or more) usually gets a prefference point for doe permit applications. He was surprised he was denied, and asked the clerk about it. She was surprised too, and had said that it had happened to someone else as well, and that she would call Albany about it. I cannot vouch for exactly what was said, but the general theme was that the landowner status portion of the liscencing system was not working, they sent him a permit in the mail.

The point of the post is...... if you are a landowner, and were denied your application for a doe permit, ask about it, you'll likely get it.

MJL927 · 09-17-2002, 08:54 AM

Thanks for the info. I know the new system has plenty of bugs to work out. When I bought my license, both the guy ahead of me and the guy behind me were denied their doe permits. I got mine just fine. The only difference was, I asked for both my permits to be within the same WMU whereas the other guys wanted two different WMUs. Another guy I know was denied the super sportsman because he didn't have a muzzleloader permit from last year yet his son got one without a hitch.

There's another program called DMAPS that I applied for. With this system, the DEC will grant you MORE doe permits for the land you own to be used during the regular seasons. It's based on acreage. The drawback is, one hunter can only use 2 permits. The remaining permits must be allocated to other hunters. For example, we have a combined 250 acres of farmland. I can get 5 permits for this land however I myself can only use 2 of them. I asked for 4 since only myself and another person will actually use them. By supplying the DEC with the DMAPS information, they were able to also send me 5 crop damage permits that I have been already hunting with. These permits expire at the end of September and there is no allocation requirement that I could see.

-Mike

farm hunter · 09-17-2002, 07:10 PM

Hey Mike, I thought you needed 600 acres to be in the DMAP program, has this changed, or did I misread it last year?

Also, do you have anctive farm? Did you need to prove crop damage? I also heard that if you have a management plan, like QDM, you could apply for DMAP permits - maybe thats where I got the 600 acre number from.

Thanks,
Sean

MJL927 · 09-18-2002, 08:17 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Hey Mike, I thought you needed 600 acres to be in the DMAP program, has this changed, or did I misread it last year?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

No, I don't think so. We've only got 250 combined acres.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Also, do you have anctive farm?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Yes, the farm is active. We've got soybeans, corn and winter wheat. I had to estimate the amount of actual crop fields on the DMAP form.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Did you need to prove crop damage?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

No however, I was prepared to do so with photo's. The DEC person I worked with mentioned that they can send someone to your farm to help evaluate, and plan a solution to control the damage. They can someone to help if you want to start a QDM as well.

The DMAP was pretty simple. You need to state the name, address, number of the person who will represent the landowner and distribute tags. You need to list the name, address, number of the landowner. Can be the same person of course. In my case, I'm the rep and my brother-in-law and father-in-law are the owners. You will need the tax-id or farm-id(?) of the farm land. Each farmer is issued some sort of special id number. I really didn't have a clue about this but my brother-in-law had the required info. Then you have to estimate the amount of land and crop field sizes. You need to describe the damage and circle whether the situation has improved, worsened or stayed the same. There's another field that asks if you want the DEC to help you locate hunters for the land. Finally of course, the form needs to be signed by everyone.

That's basically it. They send along a fairly detailed instruction packette. I sent the form in then made a follow-up call about a week later. I spoke with the guy and mentioned that I was looking for crop damage permits. He sent them out the next day. For crop damage permits, there are some tags plus a log sheet that must be filled out. This log sheet is sent in to the DEC after the tags expire. Mine expire Sept 30th. They want the deer heads for research into Chronic Wasting Disease.

-Mike

tjc1230 · 10-05-2002, 07:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quotequote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>hey mike can u tell me more about DEC helping with QDM ?thanks
<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Hey Mike, I thought you needed 600 acres to be in the DMAP program, has this changed, or did I misread it last year?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

No, I don't think so. We've only got 250 combined acres.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Also, do you have anctive farm?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

Yes, the farm is active. We've got soybeans, corn and winter wheat. I had to estimate the amount of actual crop fields on the DMAP form.

<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote>Did you need to prove crop damage?<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote>

No however, I was prepared to do so with photo's. The DEC person I worked with mentioned that they can send someone to your farm to help evaluate, and plan a solution to control the damage. They can someone to help if you want to start a QDM as well.

The DMAP was pretty simple. You need to state the name, address, number of the person who will represent the landowner and distribute tags. You need to list the name, address, number of the landowner. Can be the same person of course. In my case, I'm the rep and my brother-in-law and father-in-law are the owners. You will need the tax-id or farm-id(?) of the farm land. Each farmer is issued some sort of special id number. I really didn't have a clue about this but my brother-in-law had the required info. Then you have to estimate the amount of land and crop field sizes. You need to describe the damage and circle whether the situation has improved, worsened or stayed the same. There's another field that asks if you want the DEC to help you locate hunters for the land. Finally of course, the form needs to be signed by everyone.

That's basically it. They send along a fairly detailed instruction packette. I sent the form in then made a follow-up call about a week later. I spoke with the guy and mentioned that I was looking for crop damage permits. He sent them out the next day. For crop damage permits, there are some tags plus a log sheet that must be filled out. This log sheet is sent in to the DEC after the tags expire. Mine expire Sept 30th. They want the deer heads for research into Chronic Wasting Disease.

-Mike

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farm hunter · 10-05-2002, 10:16 PM

Thanks Mike,

Last year I could have really used a few more permits. This year of course with the new regulations, it doesn't look like I'll need DMAP - but I will keep the information, in case I do.