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NY Bowhunter · 11-15-2004, 03:58 AM

wonderful another indication that our fearless leaders haven't a clue how to manage the herd in NY. Anyone know what the brain surgeons reasoning is behind this? This ought to be interesting.

papellet · 11-15-2004, 05:48 AM

We have the same set up here in PA, our archery opens the first sat in oct. Two weeks later early muzzleloader for antlerless only runs for a week. Also throw in junior and senior hunters for three days during that week. Hasnt seemed to affect the bow hunting here in North Central PA.

SteveBNy · 11-15-2004, 06:08 AM

We need to defeat this proposal - at least the early MZ. Here is a link to the NYB. Contact the main officers and your regional reps to offer your support. Take a minute and join also - NYB have been a big factor in the seasons we currently enjoy - they fought hard for us to use Dmp in the early archery season.

NY Bowhunter - are you familiar with the Falcon's Sportsman Club? One of their officers is also an officer of the Cayuga Cty NYSCC. He has stated on another site:
"Where's NYB been all last summer when this was being discussed by DEC, CFAB and NYSCC?

Remember there's more then sportsmen/women who hunt with archery equipment in this world "

I attended 2 meetings of the CCNYSCC this summer and these proposals were never mentioned. I will be at the next meeting at the end of the month and could use support .
Contact me if you may be available .

Steve

NY Bowhunter · 11-15-2004, 06:25 AM

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NY Bowhunter - are you familiar with the Falcon's Sportsman Club? One of their officers is also an officer of the Cayuga Cty NYSCC. He has stated on another site:
"Where's NYB been all last summer when this was being discussed by DEC, CFAB and NYSCC?

Yes I am a member at Falcons. You know the officers name?
Mixing the seasons just doesnt' make any sense to me. Bow on October 1st doesn't make much more sense to me.
anyone know the reasoning behind the season changes?

SteveBNy · 11-15-2004, 06:41 AM

NYB - its Tim Noga. I am particularly upset at his "Remember there's more then sportsmen/women who hunt with archery equipment in this world " quote.

Gunhunters have been pushing for the 3rd sat of nov opener for some time. The Oct 1st proposal for bow is to "appease" bowhunters for taking a week from the rut.

Make sure to let Tim know how you feel - (you don't seem like the bashful type)

Steve

Charlie P · 11-15-2004, 07:19 AM

Well if they made it a real primitive hunt with muzzle loaders I don't think it would effect bowhunting much at all. I see a few problems with this.

1. I hunt in a shotgun only area. Muzzleloaders have a more effective range then my shotgun.200 yard accuracy and scopes on a muzzle loaders now, doesn't soumd to primitive to me.If they wanted to use a truelly primitive weapon I'd share the woods no problem.

2.The probality that this will lead to a major "poaching" problem. Let's face it the only thing that will keep hunters from dropping big bucks during this week would be their ethics. Which we all know could be a huge problem. I've been hunting for over 25 years and have been checked by Game wardens twice in that time. So what's going to stop people from dropping big bucks during the rut with a more efficiant fire arm then I get to use during the regular season. The three officers that are in my region? I'm considering buying a new muzzloader to take advantage of the extended range it would afford me for regular season gun season.

3. I really don't know how much this will effect the bowseasons movement of deer because I don't think that there are that mnay muzzleloader hunters out there.

How many people here would buy one to take advantage of the antler lesss tags. I personally have no problem filling my anterless tags now.

I hope that everyone concerned will go to meetings and voice their opinion.

SteveBNy · 11-15-2004, 08:15 AM

Charlie,

Primitive, I could maybe live with. But in my area, there are a lot of inlines being used now in shotgun season because of there advantages. There are a lot of hunting season only archers that would make the switch. Plus many shotgunners that would take advantage also. This is not a good proposal for bowhunters.

Steve

NY Bowhunter · 11-15-2004, 08:21 AM

Very good points Charlie P. I think there will be a decent increase in the number of people who will take advantage of this to harvest antlerless deer. Like you I wouldn't have a problem sharing the woods during that time, but how many deer could you have taken this year while bowhunting from 150 yards? 20?30? more? Like shooting fish in a barrel I would say.
My other problem is taking the does before the rut really kicks in can be nothing but counterproductive for harvesting a buck the first 2 weeks of November after "halftime" in bowseason. Patterns are likely to change if there is a substantial # of ML hunters that take advantage of this. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Does anyone know the reasoning behind it?

NY Bowhunter · 11-15-2004, 08:34 AM

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NYB - its Tim Noga. I am particularly upset at his "Remember there's more then sportsmen/women who hunt with archery equipment in this world " quote.

Great I've already had a runin with him over something else.

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Make sure to let Tim know how you feel - (you don't seem like the bashful type)

LOL how in the world did you come to that conclusion..[:-]