Here is what Alt had to say about the 1.5 spikes in Pike Co. and in poor habitat.
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ANTLER MEASUREMENT STUDY
This completed study serves as the foundation for antler restrictions.
More than 4,000 sets of antlers were examined in every county and the age of the bucks noted.
The upshot: If you let 1.5-year-old spiked deer live one more year, a majority will sport eight-point racks, even in counties with the poorest nutrition, Alt says proudly.
In overbrowsed Pike County, for instance, nearly one-third of yearling bucks were spikes. A year later, 56 percent had eight or more points.
Oh knuckles- yes, he's using the antler data collected to tell us what percentage of 2.5 year old bucks in pike have 8 pts or better. You cannot use the same numbers, compared to other anlter data for other age classes harvested in Pike to say what percentage of bucks harvested were 2.5 year olds. That's two quite different things. The PGC biologists did not make the assertation you did because it is invalid to do so for the reasons I have spoke of earlier. I do believe even that data used to determine antler points, spread etc is a bit invalid, though evidently not statisticly signifigent, because folks are more likely to take a bigger racked deer to the check stations, taxidermist, than a smaller racked deer, it musn't be statisticlly signifigent, unlike your use of the data which is signifigently flawed. Juniorpc
What we have here is a prime example of how Alt cult memebers react to a simple statement of fact. All I did was quote what Alt said about the spikes in Pike co. I said nothing about the percentage of 2.5 + buck or the percentage of 1.5 buck. But junior went off on a rant about how the antler study did not represent the actual percentage of 2.5 + buck in the preseason herd.
Now if junior would have done his homework instead of watching the Simpsons ,he would have know that the antler buck survey showed only 40% of the 2.5+ buck were 8+ pts. Since that 40% included bucks that were 3.5+ and it also included bucks that were more than spikes as 1.5 buck, Alt's claim is simply ridiculous and has no basis in fact.
But,junior and junior II compelety missed the point of my post. Instead ,they went on the attack mode ,shooting blanks.
If you think the B/D ratio is 1:5 ,maybe you have the answer to this riddle.
We had 1 M overwintering deer in 2001 and we harvested 203 K buck and carried over an additional 80K buck to 2002. Therefore ,the total preseason buck population was 280K ,which means we had less than 720K adult females which would produce a B/D ratio of 1:2.57. So how could your 1:5 B/D ratio be correct?
Could it be you are talking about the antlered to anterless ratio, not the adult breeding B/D ratio?
I live in Wayne county and I believe that our doe to buck ratio is closer to 10 does to every 1 buck, in my area. This is based upon my sightings of none antlered versus antlered deer. Is this correct?? I would say, yes. There are private communities also near me where the deer are fed and hide in there during the hunting seasons. You will see more deer in there versus any other area. I can also tell a button buck from a doe, and I am not counting them.
PIKE CO. SPIKES
