Money mismanagement at PGC???

[Cornelius08]

As we all know pgc has been begging for money singing the same old song.... But it is hard to accept that they need more money when you look at the facts.

The facts being that the license fees are right in line with other states. Lower than some, but higher than others, as in the example WVgino gave us. $33 dollars in WV for a hunting license +fishing license + muzzleloading and archery opportunity included along with trapping!!! WHich would tally well over 100 bucks here in Pa.

Not only that, but when you compare the money being spent, its astronomical. And what are we getting for it beside a good hosing? The deer program being kept alive and in place is nothing more than a huge money sponge for one thing. The extreme amounts of PR attempts to sell it as well as all the manpower and equipment etc. used to maintain it.

Compare to a "normal" state for example. In Virginia, a state similar in size to Pennsylvania, the Dept of game and inland fisheries budget for 2008 was 49,169,152. That is for the management of FISH AND WILDLIFE!

Here in Pa, on the last annual report, the revenue added to the game fund in the one year was 75,031,189.... JUST FOR WILDLIFE, NO FISH MANAGEMENT!!


And these guys are crying poor mouth?!!?! Unbelievable.

Does anyone know if there is any state in the nation that spends more than Pa on wildlife management? Or one where it benefits hunters less?

[bawanajim]

Any one know a state where the hunters own 1.1 million acres?

[bluebird2]

It doesn't really matter if the hunters own 1.1M acres if the deer herd is managed for the benefit of DCNR and the timber industry instead of for the hunters..

[bawanajim]

Go see how many acres of public land Texas has for its hunters to enjoy.

[bluebird2]

Go see how many acres the hunters have to enjoy in these states.

This map details the percentage of state territory owned by the federal government. The top 10 list of states with the highest percentage of federally owned land looks like this:
Nevada 84.5%
Alaska 69.1%
Utah 57.4%
Oregon 53.1%
Idaho 50.2%
Arizona 48.1%
California 45.3%
Wyoming 42.3%
New Mexico 41.8%
Colorado 36.6%

[bawanajim]

ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Go see how many acres the hunters have to enjoy in these states.

Your twisting and dancing again and you know it. I posted State game lands owned and bought by hunting dollars not Federal lands stole from theindians before us.

[bluebird2]

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

Your twisting and dancing again and you know it. I posted State game lands owned and bought by hunting dollars not Federal lands stole from theÂ*indians before us.

Any one know a state where the hunters own 1.1 million acres?

No you did not reference state game lands. Here is what you said.

Any one know a state where the hunters own 1.1 million acres?

Hunters do not own those 1.1M acres ,the PGC owns that land and can do whatever they darn well please . They can open it to horseback riders, ATVs ,snowmobiles ,cross country runners and skiers or golfers..

[rem700man]

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

Any one know a state where the hunters own 1.1 million acres?

Succeeding Cornelius using Va as an example of public land available for use by hunters i will quote this from virginiagameandfish.com.

"
Virginia deer hunters are never very far from an opportunity to bag a deer on public land. Be it military lands open for deer hunting, state parks, VDGIF lands or Fish and Wildlife Service property, there are 2 million acres of public land in Virginia where hunters play a role in managing the deer herd.


Many of the hunts have their own set of rules and regulations concerning firearms, gear that is permitted and methods of hunting allowed. Managed hunts do require an application and small fee and have a deadline in the late summer or early fall months to apply. However, the extra effort put in to fill out an application, qualify with a firearm and possess a hunter education card will often result in a great place to hunt and put venison in the freezer.


Read on to find the hunt that fits your schedule and desires in your region"


These are not"hunter" owned lands but land available for use as a hunter!

[pats102862]

ORIGINAL: bluebird
Hunters do not own those 1.1M acres ,the PGC owns that land and can do whatever they darn well please . They can open it to horseback riders, ATVs ,snowmobiles ,cross country runners and skiers or golfers..

Several SGLs are open for other types ofrecreation.

[bowtruck]

imo you cannot compare pa to any state it is about like comparing apples to oranges