Thanks for the tips Judd.
I have to get out there. I haven't had much luck in the exact spot you PM'd me with. Maybe it's been my timing.
BTW, I was out wading for an hour at Buffalo City the other day on the DesPlaines.
The water was murky as heck, but the gar were rolling by the pool where all the buffs hang, just on the edge of the main current.
Got 3 fish total (already in the fish count Bill) 1 carp, 1 buff, and a skinny little longnose. They all fought like heck, except for the 2 I hit in the head, and the one I spined.

[8D]It was like silient sniping. WHACK...and then an erie silence. Almost took the fun out of it. Almost.