Old Timers don't follow Newbies much
07-27-2015, 07:40 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Kansas
Posts: 3,902
Some folks also neglect the fact that there are certain skillsets that have been rendered obsolete as well. I don't have to put up hides any more like I did as a kid (unless I want fair value out of them), because I can sell whole carcasses and green pelts. So I'm sure my son won't be nearly as good at putting up hides as myself, my father, or my grandfather were. I'm not nearly the mechanic that my father and grandfather were, largely because it requires cost-prohibitive specialty tools to change the head gasket on my wife's car that just aren't necessary on my late grandpa's old '73 GMC feed wagon that I beat around in at the feedlots. My brother hasn't owned a pair of leather hunting boots since he moved out. He doesn't buy new boots every year, as Valentine suggested, but he also doesn't have to worry about oiling his boots to make them last the way I do. I've cut millions of bushels of wheat, but I have no idea how to thresh by hand, like my grandpa had to - it's not a "time honored tradition," it's an irrelevant and obsolete skillset. I'll teach my son how to drive horses because we enjoy it - my grandpa's and therebefore them all HAD to know how to drive horses because that was the only "tractor" they had. Absolutely irrelevant skillset in his life, so if he doesn't enjoy it, he won't teach his son. My son will never need to waterproof canvas, nor thatch a grass roof, or even range brand calves - skills that our family HAD to have a few generations ago.
Morals of the story: Being a dumbass isn't selective for age, and some skillsets just aren't relevant any more. Some young guys do stupid schitt because they don't know any better yet, some old guys do stupid schitt because they've been doing it the same stupid way for 40yrs. Young guys don't need a lot of the skillsets that were necessary even just 2 generations ago so they don't learn them.
Of course - I can also contend that if a young person wasn't taught the importance of a skill, nor taught a skill, by his older guiding generations, then that's as much their fault for not teaching their kids as their kids fault for not learning. If you're blaming "kids" for being dumbasses, why didn't you raise them to NOT be a dumbass?
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07-27-2015, 07:59 AM
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Onslow County, NC
Posts: 1,856
So therein lies the proper response to this entire thread. Lemme fix that for Valentine's thread...
Apparently Valentine feels he's met a lot of younger guys that are dumbasses, and I've obviously met a lot of older guys that are dumbasses... But that doesn't mean that these exceptions prove the majority.
Some folks also neglect the fact that there are certain skillsets that have been rendered obsolete as well. I don't have to put up hides any more like I did as a kid (unless I want fair value out of them), because I can sell whole carcasses and green pelts. So I'm sure my son won't be nearly as good at putting up hides as myself, my father, or my grandfather were. I'm not nearly the mechanic that my father and grandfather were, largely because it requires cost-prohibitive specialty tools to change the head gasket on my wife's car that just aren't necessary on my late grandpa's old '73 GMC feed wagon that I beat around in at the feedlots. My brother hasn't owned a pair of leather hunting boots since he moved out. He doesn't buy new boots every year, as Valentine suggested, but he also doesn't have to worry about oiling his boots to make them last the way I do. I've cut millions of bushels of wheat, but I have no idea how to thresh by hand, like my grandpa had to - it's not a "time honored tradition," it's an irrelevant and obsolete skillset. I'll teach my son how to drive horses because we enjoy it - my grandpa's and therebefore them all HAD to know how to drive horses because that was the only "tractor" they had. Absolutely irrelevant skillset in his life, so if he doesn't enjoy it, he won't teach his son. My son will never need to waterproof canvas, nor thatch a grass roof, or even range brand calves - skills that our family HAD to have a few generations ago.
Morals of the story: Being a dumbass isn't selective for age, and some skillsets just aren't relevant any more. Some young guys do stupid schitt because they don't know any better yet, some old guys do stupid schitt because they've been doing it the same stupid way for 40yrs. Young guys don't need a lot of the skillsets that were necessary even just 2 generations ago so they don't learn them.
Of course - I can also contend that if a young person wasn't taught the importance of a skill, nor taught a skill, by his older guiding generations, then that's as much their fault for not teaching their kids as their kids fault for not learning. If you're blaming "kids" for being dumbasses, why didn't you raise them to NOT be a dumbass?
Apparently Valentine feels he's met a lot of younger guys that are dumbasses, and I've obviously met a lot of older guys that are dumbasses... But that doesn't mean that these exceptions prove the majority.
Some folks also neglect the fact that there are certain skillsets that have been rendered obsolete as well. I don't have to put up hides any more like I did as a kid (unless I want fair value out of them), because I can sell whole carcasses and green pelts. So I'm sure my son won't be nearly as good at putting up hides as myself, my father, or my grandfather were. I'm not nearly the mechanic that my father and grandfather were, largely because it requires cost-prohibitive specialty tools to change the head gasket on my wife's car that just aren't necessary on my late grandpa's old '73 GMC feed wagon that I beat around in at the feedlots. My brother hasn't owned a pair of leather hunting boots since he moved out. He doesn't buy new boots every year, as Valentine suggested, but he also doesn't have to worry about oiling his boots to make them last the way I do. I've cut millions of bushels of wheat, but I have no idea how to thresh by hand, like my grandpa had to - it's not a "time honored tradition," it's an irrelevant and obsolete skillset. I'll teach my son how to drive horses because we enjoy it - my grandpa's and therebefore them all HAD to know how to drive horses because that was the only "tractor" they had. Absolutely irrelevant skillset in his life, so if he doesn't enjoy it, he won't teach his son. My son will never need to waterproof canvas, nor thatch a grass roof, or even range brand calves - skills that our family HAD to have a few generations ago.
Morals of the story: Being a dumbass isn't selective for age, and some skillsets just aren't relevant any more. Some young guys do stupid schitt because they don't know any better yet, some old guys do stupid schitt because they've been doing it the same stupid way for 40yrs. Young guys don't need a lot of the skillsets that were necessary even just 2 generations ago so they don't learn them.
Of course - I can also contend that if a young person wasn't taught the importance of a skill, nor taught a skill, by his older guiding generations, then that's as much their fault for not teaching their kids as their kids fault for not learning. If you're blaming "kids" for being dumbasses, why didn't you raise them to NOT be a dumbass?
07-29-2015, 06:35 PM
#16
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Illinois
Posts: 282
So therein lies the proper response to this entire thread. Lemme fix that for Valentine's thread...
Apparently Valentine feels he's met a lot of younger guys that are dumbasses, and I've obviously met a lot of older guys that are dumbasses... But that doesn't mean that these exceptions prove the majority.
Some folks also neglect the fact that there are certain skillsets that have been rendered obsolete as well. I don't have to put up hides any more like I did as a kid (unless I want fair value out of them), because I can sell whole carcasses and green pelts. So I'm sure my son won't be nearly as good at putting up hides as myself, my father, or my grandfather were. I'm not nearly the mechanic that my father and grandfather were, largely because it requires cost-prohibitive specialty tools to change the head gasket on my wife's car that just aren't necessary on my late grandpa's old '73 GMC feed wagon that I beat around in at the feedlots. My brother hasn't owned a pair of leather hunting boots since he moved out. He doesn't buy new boots every year, as Valentine suggested, but he also doesn't have to worry about oiling his boots to make them last the way I do. I've cut millions of bushels of wheat, but I have no idea how to thresh by hand, like my grandpa had to - it's not a "time honored tradition," it's an irrelevant and obsolete skillset. I'll teach my son how to drive horses because we enjoy it - my grandpa's and therebefore them all HAD to know how to drive horses because that was the only "tractor" they had. Absolutely irrelevant skillset in his life, so if he doesn't enjoy it, he won't teach his son. My son will never need to waterproof canvas, nor thatch a grass roof, or even range brand calves - skills that our family HAD to have a few generations ago.
Morals of the story: Being a dumbass isn't selective for age, and some skillsets just aren't relevant any more. Some young guys do stupid schitt because they don't know any better yet, some old guys do stupid schitt because they've been doing it the same stupid way for 40yrs. Young guys don't need a lot of the skillsets that were necessary even just 2 generations ago so they don't learn them.
Of course - I can also contend that if a young person wasn't taught the importance of a skill, nor taught a skill, by his older guiding generations, then that's as much their fault for not teaching their kids as their kids fault for not learning. If you're blaming "kids" for being dumbasses, why didn't you raise them to NOT be a dumbass?
Apparently Valentine feels he's met a lot of younger guys that are dumbasses, and I've obviously met a lot of older guys that are dumbasses... But that doesn't mean that these exceptions prove the majority.
Some folks also neglect the fact that there are certain skillsets that have been rendered obsolete as well. I don't have to put up hides any more like I did as a kid (unless I want fair value out of them), because I can sell whole carcasses and green pelts. So I'm sure my son won't be nearly as good at putting up hides as myself, my father, or my grandfather were. I'm not nearly the mechanic that my father and grandfather were, largely because it requires cost-prohibitive specialty tools to change the head gasket on my wife's car that just aren't necessary on my late grandpa's old '73 GMC feed wagon that I beat around in at the feedlots. My brother hasn't owned a pair of leather hunting boots since he moved out. He doesn't buy new boots every year, as Valentine suggested, but he also doesn't have to worry about oiling his boots to make them last the way I do. I've cut millions of bushels of wheat, but I have no idea how to thresh by hand, like my grandpa had to - it's not a "time honored tradition," it's an irrelevant and obsolete skillset. I'll teach my son how to drive horses because we enjoy it - my grandpa's and therebefore them all HAD to know how to drive horses because that was the only "tractor" they had. Absolutely irrelevant skillset in his life, so if he doesn't enjoy it, he won't teach his son. My son will never need to waterproof canvas, nor thatch a grass roof, or even range brand calves - skills that our family HAD to have a few generations ago.
Morals of the story: Being a dumbass isn't selective for age, and some skillsets just aren't relevant any more. Some young guys do stupid schitt because they don't know any better yet, some old guys do stupid schitt because they've been doing it the same stupid way for 40yrs. Young guys don't need a lot of the skillsets that were necessary even just 2 generations ago so they don't learn them.
Of course - I can also contend that if a young person wasn't taught the importance of a skill, nor taught a skill, by his older guiding generations, then that's as much their fault for not teaching their kids as their kids fault for not learning. If you're blaming "kids" for being dumbasses, why didn't you raise them to NOT be a dumbass?
07-30-2015, 08:50 AM
#17
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location:
Posts: 2,186
Another "Old Fart" chiming in. Ask my beloved wife .... I keep my gear (and junk) in tip top shape. Doesn't matter if it is my hump-teen year old Danners or my 1976 Gravely or my 2013 Ranger or dress shoes that I bought 2 months ago. If it is mine, it will be taken care of the right way .... and by me if at all possible. I am old fashioned that way. I blame that on my dad. Heck I still have starch put in my jeans .... and better not come from the cleaners with a rail-road crease !
08-17-2015, 12:07 PM
#18
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 12,745
Mojo - Wait....You actually send you jeans to the cleanersAND have them ironed? My wife often tells me to take mine off (if for no other reason than they may be a might dirty). But I tell her that they're just getting comfortable. Heck I wear mine for so long that when I take them off they run to the washer all by themselves.
