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Old 12-30-2004, 12:47 PM   #1
 
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Default 45-70 or 450 marlin?

what is the differance in the two? which is better? why? thanks for the help!
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Old 12-30-2004, 01:30 PM   #2
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Well, I want both. 450marlin is loaded from the factory I think with pressures in the 43K PSI range cause anything caliber'd in it can handle that pressure. So its cookin.

But you got to be careful with the 45-70. Marlin models 1881 and 1873 Trapdoor springfields should only be fired with ammo in the 20KPSI range. A pre nickel steel winchester 1886 black powder era rifle should be limited to loads in the 28KPSI range. Marlin models 1895 built between 1895-1915 should have loads limited to 28KPSI. Smokeless era winchester 1886's with nickel steel barrel can stand loads from 35K to 40KPSI. Post war lever actions Marlin 1895 and brownings built from 1972 all the way to present can be be loaded fto 43500 psi. You are getting very close to 450 marlin performance at this point.

So bottom line the 45-70 was a blackpowder cartridge and converted. So in the interest of being safe, factory ammo is pretty mild unless noted like garrett and buffalo. But you can handload the 45-70 darn close to performance of 450marlin.
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Default RE: 45-70 or 450 marlin?

thanks for all the info. so to be safe i should get a 450 marlin. what kind on recoil do they have? what would it be comparable to? thanks for all the help
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Old 12-30-2004, 02:25 PM   #4
 
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If you were going to buy a Marlin lever, My vote would be for the 45-70. It can handle loads that match the .450, yet you can buy "dumbed-down" factory loads (300 grains at approx. 1800 fps) that wont kick hard at all, and won't ravage a whitetail quite as much as the .450.
I've only seen one factory loading for the .450 in the stores, and they shoot 350gr at around 2200. This load kicks you like a mule in my opinion, at least enough to be a safety concern in a treestand.
If needs be, you can get all sorts of beefed-up .45-70 ammo from Cor-bon, Buffalo Bore, Garrett, and some others that will easily do anything the .450 can do. Take a look at some of their stuff online, they will say what loads are appropriate (safe) in whichever gun you choose to buy.
I guess to sum it all up the .45-70 is just a lot more versatile.

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Old 12-30-2004, 02:38 PM   #5
 
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PABigBore are you trying to kill me? i about fell out of my chair after i read this i was laghing so hard! ( "The scope on the .450 just ripped my face off, but I think we have enough firepower now." ) that is funny! i like that. i shure wouldnt put a scope on ether one. thanks for the lagh.
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Old 12-30-2004, 02:48 PM   #6
 
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My buddy's dad wanted a brush gun, He said he was sick of his .270 bullets getting deflected by those tiny twigs you cant see in your scope. so he went and bought this used .450... me and my buddy were in the garage when the guy came home after his first range visit with his new gun. Anyway he gets out of the truck with blood all over his face and one eye swelled almost shut, just kinda looks at us, and muttered the immortal line....

We too just about died laughing.
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Old 12-30-2004, 03:18 PM   #7
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Default RE: 45-70 or 450 marlin?

IMO the 45/70 is better because I can chose if I want to use lite loads ( Rem 300 gr) and hunt chucks or deer . Or load or buy Buffalo Big Bore hot stuff for anything that walks the earth
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Old 12-30-2004, 03:33 PM   #8
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The 45-70 is more versitile if you reload. If you don't load and don't plan on loading get the 450 Marlin. Put a Simmons Aetec scope on it. They have 5 inches of eye reliefe. No weatherby eyebrow with this scope. The 450 Marlin will handle any game on this planet.
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Old 12-30-2004, 03:55 PM   #9
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Night, kicks like a mule. No joke. If you are buying a new one, they can handle any pressure of any 45-70 ammo.
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If you load your ammo you are far better off with the 45/70. It has more case capasity and when loader to the same pressures as the 450 it blows it into the weeds!!
You can push the 250 grain Barnes Expander to 2650 and still stay in the pressure limits of the Marlin. By the way all NEW Marlins have the same pressure limits, (at least the big guns, 336 sive and up) For the most part you do not want to exceed 36,000 C.U.P. acording to the book.
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