Anyone put a scout mount on a 94 Win?

jessejames · 08-07-2004, 03:22 PM

Just got a scout mount for my 94. Love the concept and the way the gun feels with it on. My question is about the instructions for installation of this AimPoint product. It tells me I have to epoxy the mount to the barrel along with using the mounting screws. What the heck?!!!!
The problem seems to be the clearance betweent he mount and the barrel. The barrel is quite a step down from the top of the receiver where the back of the mount secures to the front holes an the angle eject .
I'm thinking about using some good epoxy putty and leaving oil or wax on the barrel but not on the mount itself so as not to make the mount intallation totally permanent.'
Any more ideas?

sot_II · 08-08-2004, 09:29 AM

I know EXACTLY what you are going though. In the end I did the following:

I measured the taper, scribed it onto a pattern, then machined a picece of brass to fit as a shim.
The brass is soft enough that it doesn't scratch (it will discolor under the mount but if you ever take the mount off solvent cleans that right up). Also the brass seemed to be less temperature sensitive than the epoxy stuff I tried...on hot days it would get a bit gummy and on colder days it would really harden up.

jessejames · 08-08-2004, 01:14 PM

I went ahead and used the epoxy putty. I oiled the barrel before installing the grip. After about 30 minutes of set I pulled it back with a little difficulty. Presto, the mount was bedded to the barrel but can now be taken off with minimum trouble. My only concern is the jack screw and nut holding the front of the mount in place.

brush buster · 08-19-2004, 11:57 PM

Gotta ask what kinda win model 94 and why a scope where are you shooting this 100 yard max rifle that you need scope ? Is it for spotting only ??

jessejames · 08-23-2004, 09:33 AM

Actually it serves several purposes. 1. This is my son's first deer rifle, the scope teaches him about a much more powerful rifle with a scope. 2. The scope is mounted in front of the action which prevents any contact with his eye. 3. It does provide for a more reliable sight picture. 4. It is removable on this mount which makes it much easier to go to the ghost ring sights I want to put on it later to make it a true scout type setup.

Nomercy · 08-23-2004, 12:13 PM

I've never used that exact mount, but I agree that you should certainly reconsider using the epoxy...although I don't believe that brass is really a suitable alternative...the epoxy may of course soften and reform itself in heat which would be a HUGE issue, however, a smaller issue would be the thermal expansion of the materials which would change your POI. When you sight in your rifle on that nice day in October, you may end up shooting low in January, or your scope mount might become loose, and as you're shooting, say you've got to take a few shots, your POI will be changing since your bbl will be warming up. It wouldn't be a HUGE effect I wouldn't imagine, however there likely would be some noticeable effect.

I only honestly replied to this out of my HATRED for the use of epoxy on guns, and to reply to comments made by Brush buster about the .30-30 only being good for 100yrds and not validating the use of a scope. I could not disagree more!!! No, you may not wish to use the .30-30 past 100yrds, and I admire your self control as you watch bucks walk by "out of range", which if YOU can't shoot well enough to use it past 100yrds, then they ARE out of range, however, don't discredit the .30-30 for no reason, I've got a Marlin 30A (what the 336 used to be) that I'm loaning to a friend that will shoot 2.5-3" at 200yrds with factory loads, I've never hunted deer with that one, but he's taken a half dozen deer between 130 and 180yrds in the last four years (lazer verified ranges). Typical hunting loads for a .30-30 put it at about 1000ft.lbs. at 200yrds, typically still around 700ft.lbs. at 300yrds....The power is there. The accuracy is not always there, however, which may not necessarily truly be the rifle's fault.

Sights can make a rifle more accurate, simply being able to shoot at a hair instead of a deer is incredibly useful in accuracy. Mounting a 20x scope on a rifle that will never see a shot over 50ft. isn't smart, but he hasn't said what his circumstances are, I've got a scope on my .44mag Ruger Super Blackhawk, instead of being accurate enough to hunt deer with to 50yrds, now I'm able to make 100yrd shots consistently.

Any rifle that would shoot over the range that a scope's field of view allows can be improved by adding a scope.