Would removing the stock in order to clean your gun after use throw the scope off?
This past weekend I had finally scrounged up enough money for a couple boxes of shells to sight my .270 in with. After a box and a half I had my rifle hitting pretty well (Inside a circle the size of a CD at 80 yards), but unfortunately I had to leave.
Yesterday (Saturday), I bought another box of shells, went out to where i had previously started sighting my rifle in, and was hitting all over the paper. The only things I could think of were either;
A) The scope was Shocked. or
B) Removing the Stock in order to clean my rifle had somehow thrown my scope off.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Daniel
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Hmmmm. What kind of gun is it? A .270 should be hitting inside a dime at 80 yards. Sometimes though, those high velocity rounds don' t flatten out until you get out to 150-200 yards. So try mybe taking some shots at 150 yards, see if that helps tighten it up. I don' t believe that taking the stock off will knock the scope out of whack, but I do think that zeroing your particular rifle at 80 yards is wasted potential. Good luck man.
Are you using the same ammo, removing the stock should' nt have much to do with it has long as your rifle is seated back into the stock properly, also if it was bumped or knocked off it still should be shooting a good group and you said that it was all over the place, I would look for something else thats causing your problem, don' t believe it was the removing of your stock that caused this.
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Yes, it' s very possible. You could have tightened one or both of the screws too tight, or not tight enough. Do you have a wood stock, or synthetic? Is it pillar bedded or not? Is there a bedding block, or not? Wood can crush if you overtighten the action screws and will definately change your point of impact. I never remove the action and barrel from the stock until after hunting season, once it' s sighted in.
What type of ammo did you use? Did you use the same type and bullet weight that you did the first time? If not, that could be what caused it. Even a different lot of the same ammo can cause you to have to resight in.
Your accuracy is fine if you were shooting from field positions. But from a bench, the .270 is capable of much tighter groups.
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First I guess I would be suspect of a scoped rifle that is only putting it' s shots into a " CD sized" group at 80 yards. But as to the original question....yes taking a rifle action out of the stock can have that type of result on the accuracy. If the action wasn' t bolted back unto the stock similarly to the way it was originally placed there....things a-r-e going to be different. If the action isn' t properly seated/bedded when it is returned....the rifle won' t shoot. One of the reasons people either pillar or glass bed an action is to insure its " consistancy" . And each time an action is removed/returned it must be tightened properly, sequentially, and essentially the same way each time.
Check to see if the action is properly installed.....(not sure have someone that is check it). Then recheck your accuracy...and be ready for the POI (point of impact) to be different than it was before! And finally if you are shooting a scoped rifle at 80 yards...and are properly benched....and it won' t hold tighter than a " CD sized group" I' d start looking for other problems as well!
Good luck!
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Anytime a stock is removed the point of impact can change.A pillar bedded synthetic stock or v-block bedding with floated barrel however will be much more consistant in this repect than other types of bedding.As stated by others;a cd sized group at 80 yards is not a sign of an accurate rifle or good load.
The rifle is a Remington Model 700 .270
The Scope (As DoubleA guessed) is a Simmons
I WOULD buy a Zeiss, Leupold, or Swarovski, but seeing as how I am only 15 and unemployed I cant afford to purchase one. It took me long enough to get the $50.00 to get this Simmons!
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Why take the stock off to clean your rifle?
To clean in and around the trigger you must take the Stock off.
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You might also try to let a good/experienced shooter fire your gun for groups.
I would consider myself and " experienced" shooter. I' ve been shooting rifles since I was 7. This is just the first time I' ve ever encountered this problem. Beisdes, if you let someone else shoot your rifle, or sight it in it would be sighted in for the other person. Each person shoots/holds the rifle just a little different. What works for one person may or may not work for another.
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It sounds like you have a very good foundation in what you need to do! And I know it rains a lot in most of Washington state, (at least the western side). But there really should be no reason to remove the barreled action from the stock for that thorough of a cleaning except maybe once a year....preferably after each hunting season. If you are that concerned that the trigger assembly needs cleaned, dried, and/or lubed try using a can of compressed air. Literally " blow out" inside the trigger assembly with the compressed air. Actually if you have had the action apart and cleaned it already use a little graphite for lube...and it will be fine for the year. (Like I said...the compressed air can blow any moisture out without removing it from the stock.)
And you are correct that you should " zero" the rifle for yourself. But if you are having problems....before you go chasing " gremlins" allow another shooter, (that you know can shoot well), try the rifle for its " grouping ability" . We all have " bad days" and you may have simply been having one! If in fact the rifle groups properly for another shooter...then maybe check your shooting technique.
When you returned the action to the stock if it wasn' t properly seated and tightened...the rifle will not shoot consistently! After you resolve that problem...I would look at the rifle' s grouping ability again. A CD sized group at 80 yards is NOT a very good group for a scoped .270! Yes, that may be sufficient for the hunting that you do....I don' t know!?! But I do know that a scoped .270 that wouldn' t shoot better than that for me....wouldn' t be around for long!
Good luck!
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