Amazing! Hornady Debunks Sir Isaac Newton

[statjunk]

Hornady has proven that the old adage of "every action has an equal and opposite reaction etc..." is incorrect....

I'm so wowed by their innovation I'm lost for intelligent words.

http://www.hornady.com/store/Superformance

Tom

[harter66]

Well at $2.40 per shot for 243 ,at least from where I'm standing, it better kill clean if I hit with in a foot of the game and a coyote better just drop cause I pointed toward it.

I'm sure its the greatest thing since the pocket . If I need a 300 Win Mag instead of my 06' I'll put the Whelen bbl on my Sav 110LH and keep shooting my tired old slow poke hand loads for $6 a box.

[RenaissanceBiker]

It may reduce felt recoil, but no laws of physics are violated.

Actually they might not.

You can't just consider the projectile wieght, but also have to consider the powder wieght.

If you had one load 180gr projectile along with 100gr of blackpowder to achieve 2000fps, and then you had a different load wit 180gr projectile with 15gr of powder kicking at 2000fps, then the one with 15gr would kick less.

You got to remember, the powder is being pushed out too. Its still mass. Just mass that turnes to hot gas.

[statjunk]

BC,

I'd have to believe that in the scenario that you've provided the mass of the powder would have to provide very little to felt recoil.

Also I can't get past that if you're still going the same 2000 fps that the same amount of energy had to be created and thus would recoil identically.

Not only does Hornady not compare the same velocities but they are saying you'll get more velocity.

Unless you provide additional proof I'm going to have to go with hawg wash.

Tom

[Valentine]

the modern engineering needed to harvest one of these new armor plated deer. Wonder if you have to be accurate, as you did in the old days.

Originally Posted by statjunk

BC,

I'd have to believe that in the scenario that you've provided the mass of the powder would have to provide very little to felt recoil.

Also I can't get past that if you're still going the same 2000 fps that the same amount of energy had to be created and thus would recoil identically.

Not only does Hornady not compare the same velocities but they are saying you'll get more velocity.

Unless you provide additional proof I'm going to have to go with hawg wash.

Tom

No, look up calculating free recoil of a gun. Powder is mass, and those hot gases have mass and actually more velocity than the projectile. Have you ever shot a savage smokeless ML? I have and you will see significally less recoil with even higher velocity than a typcial 100gr 240gr load.

This page is very accurate. Play around with load and watch the significant drop
http://kwk.us/recoil.html

[Scott Gags]

Originally Posted by statjunk

BC,

I'd have to believe that in the scenario that you've provided the mass of the powder would have to provide very little to felt recoil.

Also I can't get past that if you're still going the same 2000 fps that the same amount of energy had to be created and thus would recoil identically.

Not only does Hornady not compare the same velocities but they are saying you'll get more velocity.

Unless you provide additional proof I'm going to have to go with hawg wash.

Tom

BC is right on the money. When the bullet exits the muzzle the gases from the powder actually accelerate and according to Newtons Law that will increase recoil. The 165 grain Light Magnum 06 loads I used a few years back had 63 grains of powder which is a heavy charge for an 06. I am slightly exceeding the Light Mag velocity with a 168 grain bullet and a 59 grain powder charge and the Light Mags actally kick a little harder.

If Hornady is getting the same velocity from a smaller powder charge then according to Newton the recoil will be less.

Here is a recoil calculator that you can plug in 2 different powder charges to see the change.

http://www.biggameinfo.com/RecoilCalc.aspx

[statjunk]

I had forgotten about this post. Glad I found it. I stand corrected.

So by this regard, can we assume that one day the ol .30-06 could end up being a Magnum?

Tom

Originally Posted by statjunk

I had forgotten about this post. Glad I found it. I stand corrected.

So by this regard, can we assume that one day the ol .30-06 could end up being a Magnum?

Tom

Think about it, back in the day 300H&H was the bigboy, now 30-06 can come very close.