I' m looking for a 1000yrd shooter, I' m shooting my standard factory ruger m77 fairly well at half a mile, but nothing like I could be with a real target rifle, I don' t want a 22cal, and I' ve narrowed it down (actually, if you remember from a couple months ago, I' ve expanded it from JUST the 700PSS) to these three:
I can buy a .308Winchester Remington 700PSS for $800, then there' d be a little smithy work to do right away, and a GREAT glass, and top model rings and bases to put on it. It' s rather rare that civilians can get ahold of a military/police arm in it' s true form, so it' d be an oddity, but that isn' t worth the whole burrito to me.
OR I could buy a .30-06 Springfield M-1Garand for just under $1000, a bit more work to be done, bases and glass again. I' ve had a bluesky garand, loved it, never should have sold it.
OR I could buy a .308 Winchester National matchSpringfield M-1A on a layaway plan at just under $2000, plus glass/bases again, probably wouldn' t put in any work unless necessary. Wanted an M-14 forever, just too pricey, now it' s reasonably within reach.
THINGS I' M CONSIDERING: I WANT ACCURACY, I know the bolt will probably be the most accurate, but I think I' d prefer the M-1A if the accuracy is fairly close, I' ve owned a bluesky garand that shot incredibly well with standard sights at 600yrds, so if the springfield would be in that same class too, then it' s a good option in my book as well. I' d plan on hunting whatever I get, I don' t really care for a push feed, but it seems that almost all of the ' target rifles' available from a factory are anymore, I' d give up my plink around SKS for the M-1A or the Garand, since it' d be replacing one semiauto with another better one, and that would drop the prices almost even for the Garand and the 700, and be a decent improvement on the M-1A (already have buyers in line for the SKS). Serious competition to use them to their fullest would be in order, which will excell the most from factory (or have a ' factory' class)?
I' m not really concerned about the money, as I' m getting close to it now, I' ll take all the time I need to get it bought, I' m kind of a toss up between which competitions I would prefer at the moment, I like factory bolt rifle comps, but I' ve been doing them a bit with my Ruger, so the bolt rifle wouldn' t be much of a change, the national match comps look like a Ton of fun, and a semi-auto accuracy comp just seems like something I need to be a part of. Using these premises, and your own preferences which would you get? Will the accuracy of all three be comprable enough, or will the bolt REALLY surpass the ' gas guns' ??
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You mentioned that money wasn' t a major issue.....like most of us it' s always an issue but you are willing to put this gun high on the priority list!!
I strongly recommend you search out a custom Smith to build you a custom .300 magnum...possibily a 7mm magnum
I' d recommend bolt action.....absolutely...
Do an internet search and see what equipment is winning the 1000 yard matches.....It' s extrtemely demanding on all aspects of the shooter....
but nothing like I could be with a real target rifle,
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I' d plan on hunting whatever I get,
Hunting and a true targe rifle don' t easily fill the bill in a single gun. A true target rifle will usually be of a design and weight that is not condusive to hunting. If you want a true 1000 meter target rifle then you should take a serious look at the 338 Lapua magnum. It was developed by the military as a sniper round to fill the gap between the 308 and the 50BMG. It' s a very impressve round to say the least. Do a search on this round and you will find a number on configrations available. I know that Sako and Dakota Arms chamber rifles in this calibre.
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The .366 D.G.W. is flatter shooting and has more energy at any range then the Lapua. However, for now it is a wildcat and for the reloader only. We are working on that though, it will be in the tenth edition of Cartridges of the World and is being written up in the July/August issue of the S.C.I. Mag.
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A good bolt gun will outshoot an autoloader that costs 3 or 4 times as much. A Garand is capable of good accuracy, but you will drop a $1000 on accurizing one and it still won' t shoot any better than my as-issued $400 03A3 springfield same can be said about the M1A. The garand and M1A will shoot much faster, but this is only important in competition at ranges 300 yards and under.
A .308, 30-06, 7mm magnum, or anyof the 6.5mm wildcat cartridges in a well made bolt rifle will do the trick. Get a model 700 receiver, have it trued up, bolt face squared, lugs lapped, and have a good quality barrel installed, with a good synthetic stock, such as a Mcmillan, and you will have yourself a dandy rifle for the price of an accurized Garand or M1A. The Rem PSS would be cheaper and probably be good enough though. For competition, have a stripper guide milled in and match sights attached if you want to shoot high power, otherwise stick with the scope.
BTW I shot in a highpower match today, I beat out all of the people shooting Garands and 3 out of 5 people shooting M1A' s using my springfield, unfortunately 03 Springfileds are now considered to be in the Match Rifle category in sactioned matches, but for the local match it didn' t matter. An older gentleman shooting an 03 beat me by 6 points, unfortunately over 2/3 of the AR-15 shooters beat me.
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i know 2 people that shoots at 1000 yards and they both use a 223 and one uses a 300 too the 223 are ar-15 and the 300 is a a-bolt browning and they both reload to make them go faster and father
Nomercy...I' m no expert, but stay away from the 22' s.
I' ve shot ALOT at 500yds...and the wind is too much of a factor.
Like you said....stick with something bigger.......................but don' t overlook a custom made 6mm. They' ll hold up to lot' s of powder, and lots of wind.
Just another option.............................
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An accurized AR will cut it, in fact alot of records at 1000 yards have been broken recently with AR' s. The nice thing is that you can spend well under $1500 for one that will shoot good enough. The problem is that at 1000 yards it becomes a singleshot, You need to use handloads using 80 gr. SMK' s that are seated to the lands, which won' t fit in the magazine of an AR. You also need a barrel with a twist rate of 1:8 or better to stabilize these bullets, most competition models will have a 1:8 non-chrome lined barrel made by a custom barrel maker. Lighter bullets will be blown all over the place with any amount of wind beyond 300 yards.
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If you want a true 1000 meter target rifle then you should take a serious look at the 338 Lapua magnum. It was developed by the military as a sniper round to fill the gap between the 308 and the 50BMG. It' s a very impressve round to say the least.
Just which Military Group are you refering to?
The USMC are using the 7.62x51. Because we have a new match grade bullet that really did the job in Operation Freedom and it is a very common caliber to the NATO specs.
Someone mentioned the 300.......yea, some of us only used that particular caliber
for ranges at home or for competitions, but not for warfare. 99% do not like the 300.
The Isreali' s have one of the best military in the world and their snipes only use the .22 caliber, they are one of the best in the world.
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ORIGINAL: Nomercy
I' m looking for a 1000yrd shooter, I' m shooting my standard factory ruger m77 fairly well at half a mile, but nothing like I could be with a real target rifle, I don' t want a 22cal, and I' ve narrowed it down (actually, if you remember from a couple months ago, I' ve expanded it from JUST the 700PSS) to these three:
I can buy a .308Winchester Remington 700PSS for $800, then there' d be a little smithy work to do right away, and a GREAT glass, and top model rings and bases to put on it. It' s rather rare that civilians can get ahold of a military/police arm in it' s true form, so it' d be an oddity, but that isn' t worth the whole burrito to me.
OR I could buy a .30-06 Springfield M-1Garand for just under $1000, a bit more work to be done, bases and glass again. I' ve had a bluesky garand, loved it, never should have sold it.
OR I could buy a .308 Winchester National matchSpringfield M-1A on a layaway plan at just under $2000, plus glass/bases again, probably wouldn' t put in any work unless necessary. Wanted an M-14 forever, just too pricey, now it' s reasonably within reach.
THINGS I' M CONSIDERING: I WANT ACCURACY, I know the bolt will probably be the most accurate, but I think I' d prefer the M-1A if the accuracy is fairly close, I' ve owned a bluesky garand that shot incredibly well with standard sights at 600yrds, so if the springfield would be in that same class too, then it' s a good option in my book as well. I' d plan on hunting whatever I get, I don' t really care for a push feed, but it seems that almost all of the ' target rifles' available from a factory are anymore, I' d give up my plink around SKS for the M-1A or the Garand, since it' d be replacing one semiauto with another better one, and that would drop the prices almost even for the Garand and the 700, and be a decent improvement on the M-1A (already have buyers in line for the SKS). Serious competition to use them to their fullest would be in order, which will excell the most from factory (or have a ' factory' class)?
I' m not really concerned about the money, as I' m getting close to it now, I' ll take all the time I need to get it bought, I' m kind of a toss up between which competitions I would prefer at the moment, I like factory bolt rifle comps, but I' ve been doing them a bit with my Ruger, so the bolt rifle wouldn' t be much of a change, the national match comps look like a Ton of fun, and a semi-auto accuracy comp just seems like something I need to be a part of. Using these premises, and your own preferences which would you get? Will the accuracy of all three be comprable enough, or will the bolt REALLY surpass the ' gas guns' ??
I would not be worrying about which is the most ACCURATE rifle in the world, I would be worrying about my skills to shoot that far.
No Mercy,
You really should take a trip to Camp Perry and find out all the info before you read something that you will regret later, other words go see the professionals in action.
Besides, do you really know how far 1000yards is?
95% of all military snipers do not engage a mark that far.
People, first of all we CANNOT AND WILL NOT shoot a mark with a 50 cal.
The 50 cal is only used for heavy equipment, such as planes, trucks etc.
Carlos, did but remember he was experimenting in Veitnam.
Besides the damn thing is not our favorite shooting rifle.
What are your goals for shooting at that range in terms of MOA?
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1000yrd choice to make
