Modern Hornet

Big Uncle · 12-09-2009, 10:47 AM

I wish some designer would develop something equivalent to the 22 Hornet in a modern case. With the shrinking sizes of private property and increased density of population it would be great to have a .22 centerfire that was relatively quiet and good for varmits at ranges up to 200 yards.
The little Hornet fills a gap between the rimfires and the .223 type cartridges but it is just too fussy about ammo and accuracy. I have tried Hornets and have given up on them.

Sheridan · 12-09-2009, 11:10 AM

Uncle,

Where have you been........................???(LOL)

It's the .204

http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.204-ruger.html

http://www.chuckhawks.com/204_ruger.htm

Pawildman · 12-09-2009, 11:44 AM

........Ever looked at the 221 Rem. Fireball???

Big Uncle · 12-09-2009, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawildman

........Ever looked at the 221 Rem. Fireball???

I had forgotten about the Fireball. I had one years age in pistol and it was louder than heck, but it may be more tame in a rifle. I shoot a .223 currently for varmits and one of my neighbors uses a .223. You sure can tell when he pulls the trigger on something and I am sure he and the others can hear me just as well. The old Hornet does not use much powder and I used to shoot 45 grain bullets about 2,500 fps with it. The Hornet was louder than a .22 Magnum, but not much. Most of my shots are between 100 -150 yards. I just wish someone would design a case that duplicated the Hornet's manners while giving reliable accuracy and case life.

salukipv1 · 12-09-2009, 10:15 PM

I too instantly thought of the .204ruger?

or how about one of the .17's? I think the .17HMR is based off the .22mag...?

What's wrong with the .223rem? should be quieter than the .204...

goatbrother · 12-09-2009, 11:30 PM

Here is an option, http://www.jesseshunting.com/article...gory16/53.html

http://www.5mmcraig.com/new-page.htm

http://www.certech.net/5_intro.htm

http://www.jamescalhoon.com/

Oh, Remington also has the new 17 Fireball too.

Maybe one of the 17 rimfires would work too?

Or if your up to it design your own and use a 30 carbine case and neck it down or some such. 221 fireball short?

Big Uncle · 12-10-2009, 07:53 AM

Although I appreciate the humor that was obviously intended - the .204 is not the answer. The .204 is the answer to the question "what is a cartridge that was designed for no apparent purpose other than gun sales". The .204 is fast, loud, and not an improvement on the .22-250 or .220 Swift.
The concept of the Hornet is not to be super fast or powerful - but to be just enough with no waste. Maybe this concept is alien to guys these days - and that is a great loss. There is no "Modern Hornet" - I just wish there was.

Big Uncle · 12-10-2009, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Open Range

The Modern Hornet was Lyle's brainchild many moons ago(K-Hornet) and it has only gotten better with time,due to propellant and projectile advances. 32/3's at 3450fps are great medicine and the ante to do so is a paltry 14grs of '296 in a 20" spout.

I'm happy with it to the 400yd line,in fair winds.

The K Hornet is still a thin case with a rim. It is faster than a standard Hornet using maybe 9 grains of 296 but it is hardly a modern development. Since the triple deuce came out the K has been obsolete for all practical purposes. Glad you like it but it is not for me.

stalkingbear · 12-10-2009, 08:26 AM

All you have to do is fireform factory hornet ammo in a K hornet chamber and you have a "modern" hornet. You'll then enjoy longer case life, up to 200fps more (depending on load), usually better accuracy overall, much less finicky about loads, easier extraction. Every hornet I have I've rechambered to K hornet. I remember trying to work up an gilt edged accurate load would drive me crazy with the regular hornet. The K hornet is MUCH easier to work up a load for. Check the K hornet out.

Big Uncle · 12-10-2009, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Open Range

Obviously you've never seen or shot a good K-Hornet,or your tune would much change.

Obviously you do not understand my point even though you believe that you do. I do understand your points, but having seen some of your postings under various user names I am not inclined to attempt any meaningful discussion with you.
I am glad you like your K Hornet and hope it serves you well for many years.