I took a good friend to our 1,000 yard range yesterday. He is getting ready for a Wyoming deer hunt(2 weeks). He is a reloader and a fairly decent shot. He has a nice Browning rifle with a decent scope(Monarch UCC). He has his rifle shooting sub MOA at 100 yards. So he automatically extrapolated his accuracy to be under three inches at 300 yards?? Sounds right??
He was all over the place at 300. He was off the paper at 400. All he could do was blame the rifle. But when he got back to 100 he started clover leafing again.
I really do not have a question. I am just trying to point out that when you add distance to the equation, 100 yard accuracy is no big thing. I see a lot of guys post groups their rifle shoots at 100 yards. What I want to see is the group the rifle(and shooter) can print at 300 or 400 yards. Sub MOA is not very impressive at 100 yards. But it is at 400 yards(consistently). So come on guys, go out and shoot at 400 yards, and post those groups. Below is a 300 yard group from my Rock River. I shot the RR again yesterday at 200 yards(zero range), and this rifle was laying them in there. Tom.
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Tom, haven't gotten a whole lotta time for shooting the summer, I have got out a couple times with my 6.5 gibbs, not doing great but am happy with the preliminary tests shooting 140 bergers. below is a pic of the first 7 bergers fired during load developement. the first 3 were shot at 100 yards from a bipod, they went into .417" the forth was fired after an adjustment for a 300 yard zero, the last 3 were fired at 610 yards with bad mirage and fell into just under 6" with a 4mph variable breeze, the reason I say I'm not doing great is I have fired groups in the previous year of under 2" with this rifle at 500 but it was the eve before deer season and I didn't take a pic.
also a target from my 7mm Allen Mag, this target was fired while checking the repeatability of my scope, I dialed up to a 660 yard zero, fired 1 shot at 660, went back to a 100 yard zero, then back to a 660 yard zero and fired once more, the scope failed the test and has since been replaced
RR
One thingI learned a long time agois that a load that shoots sub moa at 100 doesnt doesnt always equate to tight groups at longer ranges. In my case, I am not that big into tight groups but the rifle better shootto POA.
I just shot these last week at 500 yds with a.308 win, not the best that the rifle has shot, 96 degrees 5mph crosswind. Aiming point is the black dots. 5 shots on the left, 3 in the middle and 3 on the right. The 5 shot group was the last one shotand I totally blew a good group with the fifth shot. Oh well that's shootin, theyall wentunder moa.
Shot this 3 shot group with my 25-06 Cooper at 500yds recently. Point of aim is the middle of the cross. Measured slightly over 1 1/2 inches.
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Need to do more shooting. My Tikka shoots MOA out to 300 and further from my testing. These are from a couple years ago, if I get new ones I'll post them.
My only question is how did you guys get the "powder burns" off you targets?
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Ridge,
How did the scope fail the test? aren't there too many variables at 660 yards with 1 shot to determine if the click test was successful or not? Especially since the 2 shot group is under 2 inches at that range.
I'm not a long range shooter so I may be off here but i'm trying to understand
danny, it wasn't a problem with the tracking or returning to zero and back, a few other things about the scope, like I could never get the parralex completely out of it beyond 600-700 yards, the turrets were bullet proof, it was big, heavy and I felt I got more out of a lighter loopy mark 4, kept the scope its now on a 223 that max's out at 600 yards.
RR
Here is what it dose with 5 shots at 100 yards. This was the same day as the other pic. I pulled on one of the shots because the guy next to me shot his 300 mag right as i was ready to fire.
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i dont have a range past 200yds right now...kinda stinks...
i do know that it takes some practice and a good shooter behind the rifle to make those longer range shots...ive taken groundhogs out to right about 350...ive missed alot more than ive hit...takes me a bit to get back into the groove of it...most guys think if they can shoot well at 100 and have a decent setup that they can do it....get them on the range looking at a target 100 or 200yds farther than theyve ever shot and they cant hit beans...
probably what happened with your buddy....a little time one the range would likely tune him up....
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300 yards, 400 yards?? group size.
