Check this shotgun !

[safirarms.com]

SAFIR ARMS HAS BEN MANUFACTURING 36 (410) CALIBER, UNRIFLING AND UNGROOVED SEMIAUTOMATIC T- 14 HUNTING GUN WHICH IS SIMILAR TO AR-15 223 REMINGTON.

OUR T 14 RIFLE IS BEING MANUFACTURED IN 4 DIFFERENT TYPES;



T - 14 CLASSIC
T - 14 COMPACT
T - 14 CLASSIC-S
T - 14 COMPACT-S[/ol]


ABOVE MENTIONED TYPES HAVE DIFFERENT BARREL LENGTH WITH A MAGAZINE CONTAINING 10+1 CARTRIDGES WHICH 36 CALIBER CARTRIDGES CAN ONLY BE USED WITH OUR RIFLE. IN T-14 COMPACT AND T-14 COMPACT-S MODELS WE MAY MANUFACTURE SHORTER BARRELS AS PER REQUEST ( ORIGINAL BARREL LENGTH IS 51 CM )

PLEASE VISIT http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=8kl5wusy9IITO SEE SHOOTING TESTS.

AND VISIT OUR WEB PAGE AT www.safirarms.com FOR FURTHER INFORMATION.

[safirarms.com]

[Lubricious]

Nice advert but the video doesnt work.

[Paul L Mohr]

Looks cool, but it's a smooth bore .410. I don't see much purpose in it to be honest. I would rather have one in 9mm or .40 cal. What kind of prices are we talking? You can get a Siaga for a couple of hundred bucks, and a High Point 9mm carbine for a bit under $200 where I live.

And an AR in .410 just seems like an incredible waste to me, it's such a limited shell in such a versatile platform.

And what size shells will it shoot? Does it have a choke for using shot?

Paul

[Maine Shooter]

Neat idea but with a .410 isn't something suited for that flatform. It's not exactly a super popualr gauge and it's price keep it from being a formidable chocie for this platform. Applaud the idea dn effort but my limited business know-how says no.

[safirarms.com]

Lubricious, Please check http://www.flixya.com/video/278632/Safirarms_-_40_Metre_Atis and
http://www.flixya.com/video/278634/Safirarms_-_Seri_Atisfor videos or try http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/safir%2Bt14/video/x34avy_safirarms-seri-atis_animalsand
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/safir%2Bt14/video/x34av8_safirarms-40-metre-atis_animals

Paul, Have you ever tried a .410 ? You canmake a big hole with a .410 on a 8mm steel plate but you can't even make a mark on it with a 9mmAnd its retail price is about 1000-1200 USD

[Briman]

For a relatively same type of system, I think a Saiga-12 would be a lot more useful and not to mention cheaper.

Its a neat idea, but I don't think your door is going to get beaten down by eager customers.

[BigTiny]

ORIGINAL: Paul L Mohr

Looks cool, but it's a smooth bore .410. I don't see much purpose in it to be honest. I would rather have one in 9mm or .40 cal. What kind of prices are we talking? You can get a Siaga for a couple of hundred bucks, and a High Point 9mm carbine for a bit under $200 where I live.

You can get the Saiga in .410, 20, and 12 as well. If you know a place where they can still be had for a couple hundred, let me know where.

[Paul L Mohr]

I don't know what the saiga's go for now, but I used to have one in 7.62x39 and it cost like $230 from my local gun shop, the shotguns ran about the same price. I haven't looked at them lately, but I doubt they went up hudreds of dollars. Johnson's Sporting goods in Adrian MI.

Um, yeah, I've tried a .410, here is the one I own. It's a Winchester 9410.



I have never seen a 410 slug penetrate any kind of steel. You are talking a fairly light soft lead bullet traveling at 1500-1800 fps. A 9mm will fire a full metal jacket hard bullet from 115 grns to 150 grns at velocities around 1000-1500 fps, and using a carbine adds about 10-15% to that. Not to mention much better bullet choices. And the .40 cal is even better than that. I have put them clean through car doors out of a pistol. Not to mention an AR in 9mm or .40 cal is probably going to much more accurate than a smooth bore .410.

There might be better .410 loads, but your not going to find them easily around here. Most of what you will see are going to be 90-100 grn soft lead bullets at around 1600 fps.

Make one of those babies in a 20 ga and you might have something, especially with a rifled barrel. I beleive there would actually be a market for that around here. I'll stick with a 12 ga for home defense though.

Paul

[Paul L Mohr]

I found one for $264 on the net. It's the third rifle down. I'm kind of surprised at the prices for the 12 and 20's though, that's a bit high for what they are.

Saiga .410

Paul