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Old 02-08-2008, 06:59 AM   #1
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There have been lots of posts about different calibers and wildcats and why didn't this make it etc...

Am I the only one who's waiting for guns to go brassless? Brassless with electric ignition systems.

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Old 02-08-2008, 07:15 AM   #2
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They already make this:

http://cva.com/products/rifle_electra.htm
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Either H&K or Steyr made something like this 20 odd years ago for military purposes but nothing came out of it.
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Old 02-08-2008, 08:00 AM   #4
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There have been lots of posts about different calibers and wildcats and why didn't this make it etc...

Am I the only one who's waiting for guns to go brassless? Brassless with electric ignition systems.

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Caseless ammunition dates as far back as WWII or further, and even earlierif you count the various breechloading black powder weapons that used combustible nitrated paper cartridges, such as the Hall (which started out as a flintlock), the cap & ballSharps, etc. There is still the problem of sealing the breech so no gas can escape into your face! In the 120-mm tank gun on the Abrams, this problem is solved by using a brass "stub" that is equivalent to the rear end of a cutoff artillery shell, which seals the breech and then is ejected when the breechblock opens during recoil. But this arrangement keeps the turret from filling up with hugh ejected empty shells.

I don't know when/if the majority of small arms will be designed to fire caseless ammo. In addition, I would NOT want to use any arm that must depend on a battery to fire the round. Batteries lose significant power in cold weather-the colder, the more they lose. This was a real significant problem with the Bazooka during WWII! If ignition worked froma magneto arrangement, it might be reliable. But such a device might then make attaining a decent trigger pull more difficult.
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I bought one of those Daisy VL22's (caseless cartridge) when they first came out... It was a flop too...

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Old 02-08-2008, 09:51 AM   #6
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You mean like this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xgW8Vm8stIM


Or this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zx_9_RgMPCE&feature=related
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Old 02-08-2008, 10:48 AM   #7
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Can't see Utube. What's in the video's?

I know they have various forms of this concept. I'm talking about a compact handgun that fires a brassless, primerless bullet. In somewhat of a semi-auto fashion.

That would be sweet.

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Old 02-08-2008, 01:29 PM   #8
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The first is aprototype military "gun", orreally a "gun box",that fire bullets by stacking charges on top of bullets in tubes and fire them in sequence electronically up to 1,000,000 rounds per minute. Of course at 1,000,000 per minute the entire "box" of bullets sounds like a single bullet being fired.

The second is a multi tube grenade launcher that fires 40mm grenades at up to 3000 per minute. Reloading is a very quick tube change. Looks like it will hold 4 grenades per tube and there are 24 tubes.
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I remember the HK oldelkhunter spoke of, I beliieve they called the ammo caseless.
Not sure the Government would allow it... a crime scene with no brass to pick up
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BB,

Can't see Utube. What's in the video's?

I know they have various forms of this concept. I'm talking about a compact handgun that fires a brassless, primerless bullet. In somewhat of a semi-auto fashion.

That would be sweet.

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You mean like the Smith & Wesson VOLANIC? A gunthat fired the caseless, primerless, "rocket ball"? The handgun that the Henry and Winchester were later based on?
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