logo
 

Go Back   HuntingNet.com Forums > Firearms Forum > Guns

Guns Like firearms themselves, there"™s a wide variety of opinions on what"™s the best gun.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-14-2006, 07:00 PM   #1
 
jake smith09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: South West, Ohio
Posts: 465
Send a message via Yahoo to jake smith09
Default Need some help with Twist Rate!!!!

Im getting a Savage 10FP .223 Tactical and the twist rate is 1:9 twist. For a .223 is this amount of twist too much. What is the affects of this kind of twist. Thanks in advanced for all the help!!!
__________________
Pain is weakness leaving the body USMC
----------------------------------
We cannot change the strength or direction of the wind, but we can adjust our sails to meet the challenges in our life!!!!
jake smith09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2006, 08:15 PM   #2
 
Roskoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4,130
Default RE: Need some help with Twist Rate!!!!

The 1:9 twist is perhaps the most versatile of all the .223 twists. It can shoot bullets up to the 75 gr. Hornady A-Max; and still group pretty well with bullets in the 50 and 55 gr. weight range. Obviously if you were going to shoot only 55 gr. and lighter bullets, you would choose a 12" or even 14" twist. But I have been amazed at how well 9" guns will often shoot bullets like the 50 gr. V-Max.
__________________
A man has got to know his limitations . . . . .

Hoyt Vectrix XL
Mathews Outback
Easton Axis FMJ
100 gr. G5 Montec/Rage 2 blade
Roskoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2006, 08:18 PM   #3
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 27,602
Default [Deleted]

[Deleted by Admins]
Deleted User is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2006, 08:23 PM   #4
Nontypical Buck
 
Rammer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 2,864
Send a message via AIM to Rammer
Default RE: Need some help with Twist Rate!!!!

My 1:9" on my AR15 grouped all ammo from 40-60gr very well. It really shined with Sierra 52gr HPs. My 1:12" on my bolt 223 shot everything equally as well. My 1:9 on my Ruger Mini14 is just a spray an pray type weapon.

The savage will shoot great with that barrel, hope this helps your decision!
Rammer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2006, 08:46 PM   #5
 
Roskoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4,130
Default RE: Need some help with Twist Rate!!!!

In answer to your original question . . . . the affect of having more twist than you need is usually a slightly less favorable pressure/velocity ratio. A 14" twist .22-250 might be able to get 3750 fps out of a 55 gr. bullet before it shows any pressure signs, and a 10" twist might start showing pressure signs at 3700 fps. And, at least in theory, the closer the twist is to optimum, the better the accuracy will be. In practice, this seems to be whatever the individual barrel likes.

The only cardinal rule about twist rates is that if you don't have enough, you are absolutely screwed - no exceptions.
__________________
A man has got to know his limitations . . . . .

Hoyt Vectrix XL
Mathews Outback
Easton Axis FMJ
100 gr. G5 Montec/Rage 2 blade
Roskoe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2006, 06:13 AM   #6
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location:
Posts: 1,643
Default RE: Need some help with Twist Rate!!!!

you cannot over stabilize a bullet

__________________
From the Shoreline of Erie before the Great Black Swamp was drained
Hairtrigger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-15-2006, 06:25 AM   #7
Giant Nontypical
 
eldeguello's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Texas - BUT NOW in Madison County, NY
Posts: 6,277
Default RE: Need some help with Twist Rate!!!!

Quote:
ORIGINAL: jake smith09

1. Im getting a Savage 10FP .223 Tactical and the twist rate is 1:9 twist. For a .223 is this amount of twist too much. What is the affects of this kind of twist. Thanks in advanced for all the help!!!
Quote:

2. My 1:9 on my Ruger Mini14 is just a spray an pray type weapon.

1. The effect of a 1/9" twist in the ,223 is to enable you to effectively use the heavier .224" bullets now available. The original twist rate in the .223 was too slow for any bullet longer than the dervice ammo's 55-grain FMJBT. Believe me, I had one of the first .223's and could not get it to accurately shootbullets suitable for larger animals than woodchucks!

2. The reason for this problem is NOT the 1/9" twist, it is caused by the fact that the rifleis a Mini-14, which is noted for being "like lightning". It seldom strikes twice in the same spot.....
__________________
"Bitte, trinks du das Wasser nicht. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen."
eldeguello is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2006, 07:18 PM   #8
 
jake smith09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: South West, Ohio
Posts: 465
Send a message via Yahoo to jake smith09
Default RE: Need some help with Twist Rate!!!!

It sounds like everyone has their own opinions.... Im going to but hunting coyotes, groundhogs, prairie dogs and things of that sort. Would a 1:9 twist be a good one for all of this kind of shooting? thanks
__________________
Pain is weakness leaving the body USMC
----------------------------------
We cannot change the strength or direction of the wind, but we can adjust our sails to meet the challenges in our life!!!!
jake smith09 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2006, 07:23 PM   #9
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Rivesville, WV
Posts: 3,194
Default RE: Need some help with Twist Rate!!!!

Ha Roskoe, I am going to order a RR arms Varminter. I want it to shoot 52 grain bullets out to 300 yards. What twist, and possibly what barrel length do you recomend. I posted this here because I thought the author might also be interesed in your thoughts. Tom.
__________________
West by God Virginia.
We need to stop using these terms today, "Sniper Rifle", "Tactical", "Assault Weapon".
HEAD0001 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2006, 08:22 PM   #10
 
Roskoe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 4,130
Default RE: Need some help with Twist Rate!!!!

Unless you need/want to shoot bullets heavier than 60 grains or so, the 1:12 twist is probably ideal for just about all bullets in the 50 to 55 grain range. These are overwhelmingly the best varmint bullets, so for a varmint rifle that is what I would pick. For the regular 52 gr. Sierra HPBT only, a 1:14 should be adequate but somewhat limiting. The 9" twist allows you to do shoot varmints as well as do some long range match shooting.

Barrel length: at least 20" but not over 24" - 22" would be about ideal in my book.
__________________
A man has got to know his limitations . . . . .

Hoyt Vectrix XL
Mathews Outback
Easton Axis FMJ
100 gr. G5 Montec/Rage 2 blade
Roskoe is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Rate Of Twist? Colorado Luckydog Guns 11 02-17-2008 07:18 AM
Rate of twist for the 260 Rem... trailer Guns 2 12-21-2007 07:25 AM
260 Rem & Twist Rate Mykey Reloading 4 04-18-2007 05:09 AM
Rate of twist Karatemike Technical 3 01-06-2005 06:01 AM
22-250 rate of twist mike dyer Guns 4 02-03-2003 07:46 AM

 

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:46 PM.