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Old 11-08-2002, 08:59 AM   #11
 
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Default RE: Slug Gun Recoil

Rifle Recoil Table
By Chuck Hawks



The following are taken from various sources including the recoil nomograph in the Handloader's Digest 8th Edition, various online recoil calculators, or calculated from the formula given in the Lyman Reloading Handbook, 43rd Edition. The formula is:


E = .5 (Wr / 32) (Wb x MV + 4700 x Wp / 7000 x Wr)(squared).

Where E = recoil Energy in ft. lbs., Wr = Weight of rifle in pounds, Wb = Weight of bullet in grains, MV = Muzzle Velocity of bullet in feet-per-second, Wp = Weight of powder in grains.





Cartridge (Wb@MV) Rifle Weight (lbs.) Recoil energy (ft. lbs.)
.17 HMR (17 at 2550) 7.5 0.2
.22 LR (40 at 1165) 4.0 0.2
.22 WMR (40 at 1910) 6.75 0.4
.222 Rem. (50 at 3200) 7.0 3.5
.222 Rem. Mag. (55 at 3200) 8.5 3.3
.223 Rem. (55 at 3200) 8.5 3.3
.223 Rem. (62 at 3025) 7.0 4.4
.22-250 Rem. (55 at 3600) 8.5 4.2
.220 Swift (55 at 3700) 8.5 4.6
.243 Win. (75 at 3400) 8.0 8.4
.243 Win. (85 at 3200) 7.5 9.1
.243 Win. (90 at 3120) 7.25 9.8
.243 Win. (95 at 3100) 7.25 9.4
.243 Win. (100 at 2960) 7.25 9.3
.243 Win. (100 at 2960) 8.0 8.4
.243 Win. (105 at 2870) 8.0 8.7
6mm Rem. (75 at 3515) 8.0 8.5
6mm Rem. (80 at 3415) 8.0 9.2
6mm Rem. (85 at 3325) 7.5 10.0
6mm Rem. (90 at 3250) 9.0 8.7
6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) 8.0 10.0
6mm Rem. (100 at 3100) 9.0 8.9
6mm Rem. (105 at 3145) 8.0 10.3
.240 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3400) 7.5 14.5
.240 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3406) 8.0 13.5
.250 Sav. (87 at 3000) 7.5 7.8
.250 Sav. (100 at 2800) 7.5 8.6
.257 Rob. (100 at 3000) 7.5 9.9
.257 Rob. (117 at 2650) 8.0 9.0
.257 Rob. (120 at 2800) 8.0 11.3
.25-06 Rem. (75 at 3600) 8.5 9.2
.25-06 Rem. (100 at 3230) 8.0 13.4
.25-06 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 14.1
.257 Wby. Mag. (100 at 3602) 9.25 23.6
.257 Wby. Mag. (120 at 3200) 8.5 16.6
.257 Wby. Mag. (120 at 3200) 9.5 15.9
6.5x55 Swe. (140 at 2550) 8.0 13.5
.260 Rem. (120 at 2890) 7.5 13.9
.260 Rem. (140 at 2750) 7.5 15.1
6.5mm Rem. Mag. (120 at 3100) 7.5 16.8
6.5mm Rem. Mag. (140 at 2900) 7.5 18.4
.264 Win. Mag. (140 at 3200) 8.0 20.5
.264 Win. Mag. (165 at 2900) 8.5 20.8
.270 Win. (100 at 3400) 8.5 13.4
.270 Win. (130 at 3140) 8.0 16.5
.270 Win. (140 at 3000) 8.0 19.3
.270 Win. (150 at 2900) 8.0 19.8
.270 Wby. Mag. (130 at 3375) 9.25 26.1
.270 Wby. Mag. (150 at 3245) 8.5 26.6
7-30 Waters (120 at 2700) 7.0 11.2
7x57 Mau. (140 at 2700) 8.0 12.5
7x57 Mau. (140 at 2800) 8.0 14.0
7x57 Mau. (160 at 2600) 8.0 14.3
7x57 Mau. (175 at 2440) 8.0 14.0
7mm-08 Rem. (120 at 3000) 8.0 13.8
7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 7.5 14.6
7mm-08 Rem. (140 at 2860) 8.0 13.7
7mm-08 Rem. (145 at 2845) 8.0 14.5
7mm-08 Rem. (160 at 2700) 8.0 14.8
.280 Rem. (140 at 3000) 8.0 18.8
.280 Rem. (150 at 2900) 8.0 19.3
7mm WSM/SAUM (140 at 3055) 8.0 20.9
7mm WSM/SAUM (160 at 2795) 8.0 22.4
7mm Rem. Mag. (140 at 3150) 8.0 23.5
7mm Rem. Mag. (150 at 3100) 8.5 21.3
7mm Rem. Mag. (160 at 2950) 8.5 22.6
7mm Rem. Mag. (175 at 2860) 8.5 23.7
7mm Wby. Mag. (154 at 3260) 9.25 29.6
7mm Ultra Mag. (150 at 3210) 8.5 37.4
7mm Ultra Mag. (175 at 3110) 8.5 44.5
.30 Carbine (110 at 1990) 7.0 3.8
.30-30 Win. (150 at 2400) 7.5 11.7
.30-30 Win. (170 at 2200) 7.5 12.3
.30-40 Krag (180 at 2430) 8.0 16.6
.300 Sav. (150 at 2630) 7.5 14.8
.300 Sav. (180 at 2350) 7.5 15.6
.307 Win. (150 at 2600) 7.5 14.4
.307 Win. (180 at 2500) 7.5 18.0
.308 Win. (150 at 2600) 7.5 14.0
.308 Win. (150 at 2800) 7.5 17.7
.308 Win. (165 at 2700) 7.5 17.9
.308 Win. (180 at 2610) 7.5 20.6
.308 Win. (180 at 2610) 8.0 19.3
.308 Win. (200 at 2450) 8.0 20.4
.30-06 Spfd. (125 at 3140) 8.0 14.5
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2900) 8.0 19.7
.30-06 Spfd. (150 at 2910) 7.5 21.7
.30-06 Spfd. (165 at 2900) 8.0 22.5
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0 20.0
.30-06 Spfd. (220 at 2600) 8.0 28.1
.300 WSM/SAUM (150 at 3290) 7.5 32.5
.300 WSM/SAUM (180 at 2860) 8.0 26.1
.300 Win. Mag. (150 at 3300) 8.5 27.5
.300 Win. Mag. (165 at 3100) 8.5 27.6
.300 Win. Mag. (180 at 2920) 8.0 26.5
.300 H&H Mag. (220 at 2680) 9.0 30.5
.300 Wby. Mag. (180 at 3190) 8.5 34.7
.300 Wby. Mag. (180 at 3240) 9.25 40.3
.300 Ultra Mag. (180 at 3250) 8.5 35.8
.30-378 Wby. Mag. (180 at 3450) 9.75 51.4
7.62x39 Soviet (123 at 2350) 7.0 7.3
.303 British (150 at 2600) 7.5 14.6
.303 British (180 at 2460) 9.0 15.6
.32 Spec. (170 at 2200) 7.5 12.3
8x57 Mau. (170 at 2360) 8.0 16.5
8mm Rem. Mag. (220 at 2830) 9.0 33.4
.338-06 (200 at 2800) 8.0 29.1
.338 Win. Mag. (200 at 2960) 9.0 31.6
.338 Win. Mag. (225 at 2780) 9.0 33.6
.338 Win. Mag. (250 at 2660) 9.0 29.0
.340 Wby. Mag. (250 at 2860) 9.5 43.2
.340 Wby. Mag. (250 at 2963) 10.9 42.9
.338-378 Wby. Mag. (225 at 3180) 9.75 64.3
.357 Mag. (rifle, 158 at 1700) 7.5 4.8
.35 Rem. (180 at 2200) 7.5 14.5
.35 Rem. (200 at 2127) 7.5 15.5
.356 Win. (200 at 2383) 7.5 18.7
.358 Win. (200 at 2520) 8.0 21.3
.35 Whelen (180 at 2850) 7.5 27.0
.35 Whelen (200 at 2700) 8.0 26.3
.35 Whelen (250 at 2400) 8.5 26.8
.350 Rem. Mag. (180 at 2850) 7.5 27.0
.350 Rem. Mag. (200 at 2710) 8.0 27.1
.350 Rem. Mag. (250 at 2400) 8.5 26.3
.38-55 Win. (255 at 1700) 7.5 15.1
.375 Win. (220 at 2012) 7.5 15.1
.375 Win. (255 at 1900) 7.5 18.1
.375 H&H Mag. (235 at 2700) 9.0 29.8
.375 H&H Mag. (270 at 2690) 9.0 39.8
.375 H&H Mag. (300 at 2530) 9.0 44.0
.375 Wby. Mag. (270 at 2800) 9.5 41.0
.375 Wby. Mag. (300 at 2700) 9.5 48.5
.375 Ultra Mag. (300 at 2800) 8.75 53.2
.378 Wby. Mag. (270 at 3180) 10.75 64.7
.378 Wby. Mag. (300 at 2900) 10.5 58.8
.405 Win. (300 at 2115) 8.0 27.6
.405 Win. (300 at 2232) 8.0 30.0
.416 Rigby (400 at 2350) 10.25 56.7
.416 Rem. Mag. (400 at 2400) 10.0 58.5
.416 Wby. Mag. (400 at 2700) 10.5 81.6
.416 Wby. Mag. (400 at 2700) 11.3 74.7
.44 Mag. (rifle, 240 at 1760) 7.5 12.1
.444 Marlin (240 at 2350) 7.5 26.5
.444 Marlin (265 at 2200) 8.5 25.8
.444 Marlin (300 at 2050) 8.5 24.6
.450 Marlin (350 at 2000) 7.0 41.8
.450 Marlin (350 at 2000) 8.0 36.6
.45-70 (300 at 1800) 7.5 24.0
.45-70 (300 at 1800) 10.0 19.0
.45-70 (350 at 2100) 10.0 32.1
.45-70 (400 at 2000) 10.0 38.5
.45-70 (405 at 1330) 7.5 23.5
.45-70 (500 at 1800) 10.0 44.0
.450/400-3" (400 at 2150) 9.0 51.0
.458 Win. Mag. (350 at 2470) 10.0 45.2
.458 Win. Mag. (400 at 2380) 9.25 57.9
.458 Win. Mag. (500 at 2050) 10.5 55.8
.460 Wby. Mag. (500 at 2600) 12.25 98.5
.460 Wby. Mag. (500 at 2650) 10.5 109.7
.470 NE (500 at 2150) 11 73.1
.50 BMG (647 at 2950) 30 82.9






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Old 11-12-2002, 08:41 AM   #12
 
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Default RE: Slug Gun Recoil

Thanks ken p! Looks like you included enough energy data for anyone wanting to make comparisons.

Well I added 2/3 lb. of lead (fishing sinkers) in the stock cavity this weekend. Thanks eldeguello for the idea. This seems to be the easiest, cheapest and least obtrusive way to add weight to the gun. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet.

I may add the tungsten plate later on. We'll see how it goes.
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Old 11-12-2002, 10:36 AM   #13
 
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Default RE: Slug Gun Recoil

Brownell's has recoil pads, recoil supressors which can take the place of the plug or go in the buttstock. Some are weights, some tubes of mercury, some I think may be hydraulic. Another item I found that helps the shooting and with the recoil is a stick on cheek pad for the top of the stock. Another way to add weight is use a stock sleeve that holds 5 slugs and a sling that holds four or 5.

Take advantage of the rifled barrel for range and accuracy. My old 1100 and old hastings barrel put 5 Hornady H2ks inside a 3 inch circle at 200 yds. Although I took a doe at 170 yds. with a Federal Hydrashock, it took about 12 inches of hold over. I've also had the hourglass sabots break at the waist and slide up along the shoulderblade rather than going thru it.
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Old 11-12-2002, 01:40 PM   #14
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YOU CANT HANDLE THE RECOIL OF A 12GA.? ITS ONLY FOR A SPLIT SECOND, PLUS ONCE YOUR SIGHTS IS ON THAT BUCK, YOU WILL NOT FEEL THE GUN GO "BOOM!!!"
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Old 11-12-2002, 02:39 PM   #15
 
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Default RE: Slug Gun Recoil

A 12 gauge using 2 3/4 shot loads is one thing, using slugs repeatedly at the range is another. Like eldeguello indicated above, A lightweight shotgun firing slugs has almost as much free recoil as some "elephant guns" in the .450/.470 Nitro Express class.

I agree, the one split-second shot (maybe two) isn't bad, especially during the hunt when adrenalin is up. But repeated shots at the range...well yes it is tough to handle after about 8 to 10 shots.

I figure reducing recoil for the primary purpose of shooting at the range sure wouldn't hurt (no pun intended) during a hunt.



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Old 11-12-2002, 03:25 PM   #16
 
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I would use a gun vise at the range and forget about it. I have shot a lot with my slug gun and it really isnt that bad. On Saturday, I shot an 8 pointer 4 times and can honestly say, the recoil never entered my thoughts until I just read your post. I can't remember the recoil at all. If you use a gun vise at the range it will dampen the recoil considerably. Unless you have a physical condition, I wouldnt worry about it at all under hunting situations and a gun vise takes care of the range issue. I do practice some with mine as well, but those shots don't bother you much. The only ones that I can ever remember being uncomfortable are when you are hunched over the gun on sandbags or something where there is little to dampen recoil.
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Old 11-13-2002, 03:43 AM   #17
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the only time recoil is a factor is on the range,during hunting situations you won't even notice that kick.the biggest problem about thinking about it is,flinching.think about it to much and every time you shoot you will flinch,not a good thing.put a recoil pad on the stock and wear a coat when at the range,done deal.
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Old 11-14-2002, 02:01 PM   #18
 
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Default RE: Slug Gun Recoil

IF IT IS A 12 GAUGE GET RID OF IT AND GET A 20 GAUGE
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