the craze about big cal. guns and the 223 for daughter post

bigtim6656 · 09-20-2005, 11:13 PM

i have read some replys about .223 for the 223 for daughter post and ones i have made my self i have notice people taking about the low recoil in 30 30 3006 and even 357 what you have to remeber is we are talking about a young girl not a full built guy .

also shoot placement weather you useing a .223 30 30 30 06 or 50 CAL

IF YOU DO NOT GET A GOOD SHOOT PLACEMENT THE DEER IS GOING TO SUFFER
a .223 or even a 22 long in the hands of someoen who can shoot good is better then a 30 06 or any other gun in the hands of someone who is a bad shoot i have seen .223s blow bricks and but hole throw brick buildings both sides a deer is not harder then a brick

also today on a hunting so this guy shots a buck with a gun big enough i seen part flying sure this deer ran for like 10 foot but it moved it about 20 feet back from the hit

Portage · 09-21-2005, 06:12 AM

Just my rambling thoughts.

I am not a big bore or big recoil advocate for anyone. That being said, while the 223 may in fact be adequate for deer, as others have said it is generally considered a marginal round. I take that to mean that everything has to be perfect including shot placement and animal position. I'm not sure that a young hunter, even if they are with an experienced hunter, has the emotional control (read buck fever) to do everything exactly right. I think the animal deserves it.

I guess my other thought is if the person really isn't ready to use what would generally be considered a more standard caliber (243, 250, 257, 30-30)I really wonder if that person is really ready to hunt those animals. Its a big responsibility.

Just my 2 cents.

Highpower · 09-21-2005, 06:36 AM

Well said Portage. I often wonder why, when I was young, the first rifle was always a 30-30. For the cartridge, it has lots of recoil. If you can shoot a 30-30, you can sure shoot a .243 or a 257. If the recoil from either one of those is too stiff, maybe we should be waiting alittle longer to start hunting. Just my $.02, no offense intended to anyone.

09-21-2005, 07:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

i have read some replys about .223 for the 223 for daughter post and ones i have made my self i have notice people taking about the low recoil in 30 30 3006 and even 357 what you have to remeber is we are talking about a young girl not a full built guy .

also shoot placement weather you useing a .223 30 30 30 06 or 50 CAL

IF YOU DO NOT GET A GOOD SHOOT PLACEMENT THE DEER IS GOING TO SUFFER
a .223 or even a 22 long in the hands of someoen who can shoot good is better then a 30 06 or any other gun in the hands of someone who is a bad shoot i have seen .223s blow bricks and but hole throw brick buildings both sides a deer is not harder then a brick

also today on a hunting so this guy shots a buck with a gun big enough i seen part flying sure this deer ran for like 10 foot but it moved it about 20 feet back from the hit

All true, but experience will give you shot placement. You can practice and practice some more, but still have to deal with the excitement of seeing an animal. At that point, you just need some luck, and hopefully instincts. As mainly a bowhunter, I have seen so many guys that can shoot a bow good at the range. Hitting a skoal can at 40 yards. But put them in the woods, and have a deer under them, boy, does the story change. Only experience. A 223 for a new hunter just won't cut it from that standpoint.

I believe, if a new hunter can't handle a 30-30 or 243 at least, he or she needs to wait a few years. My nephew wanted to start killing deer at 9 but couldn't handle a 30-30. Now he is 11 and I think has good potential in him. He is hitting a cardboard deer with a sluggun at 50 yards. And that was the criteria.

Vapodog · 09-21-2005, 10:29 AM

I read these posts " what for my kid who is (way too young)" and I just roll my eyes.....Nothing I'm going to say is changing these ideas.....let them learn the hard way. There's nothing else one can do.....besides I don't know them or the yuoungster at all.

About long posts.....sometimes I think a poster should be limited to two posts per thread.....it would end the BULL

wyomingtrapper · 09-21-2005, 11:29 AM

".....it would end the BULL "

You are no doubt right, but it would also end some good discussions as well. I suppose it would be better if we carried the "discussion" over to new threads rather than hijacking, but I suppose we have moderators to see that it doesn't get out of hand.

Hunter06FlKy · 09-21-2005, 12:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: Highpower

Well said Portage. I often wonder why, when I was young, the first rifle was always a 30-30. For the cartridge, it has lots of recoil. If you can shoot a 30-30, you can sure shoot a .243 or a 257. If the recoil from either one of those is too stiff, maybe we should be waiting alittle longer to start hunting. Just my $.02, no offense intended to anyone.

yeah i completely agree. i don't really have anything to elaborate on it.

Todd1700 · 09-21-2005, 06:36 PM

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I guess my other thought is if the person really isn't ready to use what would generally be considered a more standard caliber (243, 250, 257, 30-30)I really wonder if that person is really ready to hunt those animals.

Agreed. Wait until the child is old enough to use a more suitable caliber like a 243. IMHO any kid that cannot handle the very minimal recoil of a 243 probably isn't old enough yet to be hunting with a rifle. When I was a kid my cousin Jeff had a 223 as his first deer rifle. He killed some deer with it but he lost some too. And some of the ones he did kill involved longtracking jobs to find. Now he and I are in our 30's and he has a 10 year old son. Based on his childhood experiences with the 223, Jeff is making his son wait till he can comfortably handle a larger caliber.