I would like to agree with on this one Matt, but I can't. I used the brenneke gold mags last year and was not overly impressed. I mean sure it killed the deer but I have seen better performance.
All it did was punch a quarter sized hole right through the deer. Bullet performance and ballistics are not very impressive compared to a better designed bullet.
Not that brenneke doesn't make a quality product, because they do. I just personally think a better designed bullet like a controlled expansion XTP type bullet works better on game.
Just my opinion though and nothing more. If I were shooting a smoothbore I might look into some of the brenneke rounds. But my smoothbore really likes Winchester rifled slugs, so I don't see the point in changing right now.
To be honest though they will pretty much all kill deer if you hit them in the front somewhere.
Paul
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I just have a question for you??? I understand you weren't impressed and everyone has their own opinion, and that cool. Everyone isn't going to like everything. But you said you didn't like the round, "all it did was punch a quater size hole right through the deer." Now, I ask what were you looking for the bullet to do. Was it performance you were looking at, because I call that performance(that's what you want it to do). Or were you talking about the ballistics aspec. Just a question.
Large heavy solid slugs over penitrate in my opinion. It punched a hole through the deer but really didn't transfer a lot of energy. Compared with one of the XTP type bullets like in the modern sabot bullets or an Inline ML they don't expand very well, if at all. I would just rather have a bullet that expands in the game and does more internal damage is all.
Like I said, they work, and will obviously kill deer. I just think the better designed bullets have an edge is all.
I shot a deer at 20 yards with a 600 grn full diameter bullet. The bullet went right through the deer and a small tree about 10 yards away. And the deer still ran 90 yards. It didn't even flinch, let alone fall down. I have shot deer with both types and the internal damage to the vitals is always greater with a controled exansion bullet vrs a plain lead slug.
I just believe that bullet design is very important is all. A round ball moving at 1100 fps out of a muzzle loader will kill a deer, that doesn't mean it will be my first choice if there are better ones out there.
Ballistics do play a role, but to be honest either rifled slugs or sabots shoot about the same out of my H&R ultra as far as trajectory and accuracy go at 100 yards. My gun is actually very accurate with some rifled slugs until the barrel leads up (about 3 or 4 shots). It's just that after using both I feel the better bullets work better.
What I would really like is an all lead bullet from Precision Bullets with a polymer tip like I shoot in my Muzzle Loader. I may try and reload something like this in the future.
Paul
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I use brenneke short mag in my smoothbore for2 years now and I wouldn't use anything else. I hunt in thickets of heavy brush that you would not want to go into and sometimes in swamps. I getclover leafs groups at 50 yards and get2-3 in groups at100 yards. The performce this slug put on deer is great. Last year 2005, I shot a buck 40 yards and it drop him like a ton of brick. When I went to check on my buck I notice thatthe slugwent through2 branches of finger sizebefore hitting the buck and the slug still went through him right behind the shoulder andhe dropright there. That is what I called performance, try doing that to other foster slugs, I don't even think it would go past the first branch and make it to the deer. I've haven't shot that many deer (6 deer) with this slug but all the deer I'veshot at either drop inthier track or drop within 40 yards. All the other foster slugs I've tried in the past, (winchester, remington, and federal)have put deer down and left decent blood trails but I don't like to track and possibly have other hunters taken shots at the deer I just shot and then claiming it thiers because they put the killing shot.I love brenneke and would never put anything else in my slug gun.
I hunt with a buddy that exclusively uses Brennek slugs in his 870. He only has the bird barrel on his, but still is deadly accurate taking deer with the sucker out to 100 yards.
Large heavy solid slugs over penitrate in my opinion. It punched a hole through the deer but really didn't transfer a lot of energy. Compared with one of the XTP type bullets like in the modern sabot bullets or an Inline ML they don't expand very well, if at all. I would just rather have a bullet that expands in the game and does more internal damage is all.
Like I said, they work, and will obviously kill deer. I just think the better designed bullets have an edge is all.
I shot a deer at 20 yards with a 600 grn full diameter bullet. The bullet went right through the deer and a small tree about 10 yards away. And the deer still ran 90 yards. It didn't even flinch, let alone fall down. I have shot deer with both types and the internal damage to the vitals is always greater with a controled exansion bullet vrs a plain lead slug.
I just believe that bullet design is very important is all. A round ball moving at 1100 fps out of a muzzle loader will kill a deer, that doesn't mean it will be my first choice if there are better ones out there.
Ballistics do play a role, but to be honest either rifled slugs or sabots shoot about the same out of my H&R ultra as far as trajectory and accuracy go at 100 yards. My gun is actually very accurate with some rifled slugs until the barrel leads up (about 3 or 4 shots). It's just that after using both I feel the better bullets work better.
What I would really like is an all lead bullet from Precision Bullets with a polymer tip like I shoot in my Muzzle Loader. I may try and reload something like this in the future.
Paul
accually doesnt the term "controlled expansion" do just that, a big lead slug at amedium velocitywill more readily expand than a high velocityjacketed bullet will. Also with the use of round balls,, round balls offer some of the best expansion available due to thei spherical shape and soft lead. the draw back being they have poor balistics after 70 yards
I have shot animals with all three types and the better designed bullets always create more internal damage. Controlled expansion bullets are designed to expand rapidly yet retain all thier weight. Which is why they are so popular for self defense ammo.
Again, just my opinions they don't have to be yours.
Paul
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