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Old 09-30-2008, 05:28 AM   #1
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Default C.A.S.H they don't like peta but look at hunting like slavery

One of you guys posted about a new website of anti hunters.
I looked at the website and sent them a email nothing mean nothing bad just asked them a few questions.

Got to say I never thought i would get a reponse but i did.
Never thought it would be as nice as it was.

But i said i would post the email if they sent one back

cash@abolishsporthunting.com


Dear Mr. Harris:

Thank you for contacting the Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting.


> I Hunt not for fun, not to kill a animal. I hunt because i love the taste of deer meat as well the fact that wild game is by far healthier then any store bought meat. <

Whether the meat from the animals you kill is healthier than
factory-farmed meat is irrelevant, really. It is still high in
saturated fat and cholesterol. Maybe not as high as in cow meat or
chicken meat, but it is still present. There is no healthy amount of
cholesterol to put into one's diet.

Also, you say that you hunt because you enjoy the taste of deer meat.
Don't you think the life of the deer is more important than something as
trivial as the temporary satisfaction of your taste buds?


> I would like to ask why you feel hunting is wrong. <

To begin with, hunting is unnecessary. We don't need to eat meat to
survive and there is something disturbing about killing an animal and
enjoying the experience. It is a pretty commonly agreed upon tenet that
it is wrong to cause unnecessary harm to an animal. Since there is
nothing about hunting that is "necessary," and since by killing a
healthy, helpless, and harmless animal you are indeed harming them,
hunting is clearly, at least in my opinion, an unethical thing to do
under most of the circumstances in which it is practiced today.


> Also do you eat meat. If so why is it ok for you to eat beef when weall know cows that are raised for meat are not treated good at all. <

No - I do not eat meat. I have been a vegan for nearly 20 years.


> Why do you feel it is ok for people like yourself that disagrees with hunting to harass someone doing something that has been legal and in practice since the bible times. <

Slavery was legal for a very long time also (and it is still legal in
some countries), but that did not make it ethical or acceptable in any
way. Sure, many good things came from slavery. Cities were built,
roads were established, industries were supported, etc., but none of
that justified viewing and treating other humans as chattel.

In this respect, I cannot understand how it is legal to hurt and destroy
wildlife, but illegal to protect wildlife from those who wish to do harm
to them.


> I see a issue if someone tells someone not to trespass on there land
and they get arrested for that.
I.E. Jan Haagensen. I had a similar thing happen to me but all that
happen is i told the people to stay off my land and they left.<

I am speaking with someone currently who is facing a similar situation.
Hunters were on her property and in her driveway and when she called the
sheriff and told the hunters to leave, the sheriff called Fish and Game
and they cited her for hunter harassment. Unfortunately, things like
this happen all the time.


> I talked with a fellow hunter the other day who was legally hunting on public land. A group of peta members decided that they would make noise hook there horns and even fire guns in the air when a group of ducks would come near the hunters. Do you feel that is right.<

I am not a PeTA member nor will I ever be one, but I don't see why it
should be illegal to protect harmless wildlife from those who wish to do
them unnecessary harm.


> Now i am not trying to say you do not have the right to your option or the right to voice it. I just wonder what makes you feel that hunting should be illegal. <

In addition to what I have written above, hunting is unnecessarily
violent against those who pose no threat to the hunter or anyone else.
Committing violence against wildlife for no legitimate purpose should be
illegal. If you were being attacked by a grizzly bear or an alligator,
by all means defend yourself. If you're being stalked by a mountain
lion, defend yourself. Woodcock and grouse and rabbits are not going to
harm anyone at all, so killing them for sport should be illegal.


> I would also like to ask what your option is on gun rights and the second amendment <

I'm glad that we have the second amendment. I'm not fond of the NRA
because I don't see any reason why someone has to own an M-16 and I
don't see why trigger locks or three-day waiting periods are a bad
thing, but I support the right of the people to bear arms. If the
police and the state can own firearms, I want to have the same rights as
they do, if only for my own protection.


> I thank you for reading this and await your response. <

I thank you too, and I wish you well. We understand that many people do
not share our opinion when it comes to sport hunting, trapping and the
role state and federal wildlife agencies play in creating many of the
problems associated with wildlife. We hope that in time, as you continue
to read The C.A.S.H. Courier and website, you will change your opinion
and come to share our views.

Sincerely,
Joe Miele


Committee to Abolish Sport Hunting
P.O. Box 13815
Las Cruces, NM 88013
www.AbolishSportHunting.com


C.A.S.H is Green. Please consider the environment before printing this
e-mail.




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: hunting rights.
From: tim Harris <timharris15@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, September 26, 2008 8:16 pm
To: <cash@abolishsporthunting.com>

Hello my name is Tim.
First i am a hunter.
I stated hunting five years ago. At the age of 18. I did this all on my
own. No one asked me to or tried to bring me into hunting. No one in my
family hunts. In fact the only person that does are two uncles that i
have never spent allot of time with.

I Hunt not for fun, not to kill a animal. I hunt because i love the
taste of deer meat as well the fact that wild game is by far healthier
then any store bought meat.

I was referred to your website by a person in a hunting forum.
I do have a problem with people shooting animals for no reason. I feel
that every hunter should follow every law and make sure they do
everything they can to avoid accidents.
I would like to ask why you feel hunting is wrong.
Also do you eat meat. If so why is it ok for you to eat beef when we
all know cows that are raised for meat are not treated good at all.
The bible Proverbs 12:27
A lazy man does not roast his prey, But the precious possession of a
man is diligence

Why do you feel it is ok for people like yourself that disagrees with
hunting to harass someone doing something that has been legal and in
practice since the bible times.
I see a issue if someone tells someone not to trespass on there land
and they get arrested for that.

I.E.
Jan Haagensen

I had a similar thing happen to me but all that happen is i told the
people to stay off my land and they left.


I talked with a fellow hunter the other day who was legally hunting on
public land. A group of peta members decided that they would make noise
hook there horns and even fire guns in the air when a group of ducks
would come near the hunters. Do you feel that is right.

Now i am not trying to say you do not have the right to your option or
the right to voice it. I just wonder what makes you feel that hunting
should be illegal.

I would also like to ask what your option is on gun rights and the
second amendment
I thank you for reading this and await your response.

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Old 09-30-2008, 05:54 AM   #2
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Interesting response. I find it odd that he doesn't support PETA, yet he is a vegan - it doesn't quite make sense to me - a little suspicious if you will. I also find it interesting that he responded to the 2nd Amend. question fairly positively. His slavery response was a joke. No intelligent and rational person could compare the two as equals or even similar.

Kudos to you BigTim for emailing him in a polite manner - I'm not so sure I could've
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:16 AM   #3
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ya it took alot. But if i would have been threatning and rode that would have been his reponse. i sent him reply telling him i was surpised at his reponse and had a few commets
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Interesting response. I find it odd that he doesn't support PETA, yet he is a vegan - it doesn't quite make sense to me - a little suspicious if you will. I also find it interesting that he responded to the 2nd Amend. question fairly positively. His slavery response was a joke. No intelligent and rational person could compare the two as equals or even similar.

Kudos to you BigTim for emailing him in a polite manner - I'm not so sure I could've
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hmmm. I dont like the guy
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Old 09-30-2008, 07:02 AM   #6
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Default RE: C.A.S.H they don't like peta but look at hunting like slavery

I understand their point of view, butthey are wrong.[8D]

There are things people will never agree on, and i think hunting is one of those things. To each their own.
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Default RE: C.A.S.H they don't like peta but look at hunting like slavery

BigTim, although I commend you and thank you very much for your effort, I feel you went about it slightly wrong. Kudos to you though.

The reason I say incorrect is that we already know we cannot argue or debate feelings when it comes to antis. They have feelings, we have feelings and they will not likely be changed. We need to remember to always argue/debate facts. Facts they can only refute by making up nonsense and they know it.

Hammer them with statistics and knowledge of the environment and the effects of deer numbers outnumbering themselves affecting all wildlife and ecosystems. We all know it's not all about the deer. They seem to forget the effects of deer numbers on songbirds, rodents, plants, insects, trees, forest restoration and ultimately human/animal encounters leading in many deaths of humans and animals alike. Hit them with facts and you might, MIGHT make a impression.
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Default RE: C.A.S.H they don't like peta but look at hunting like slavery

i think your properly right
i think when i get a deer i will email him a pic and ask if he wants some.
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Hello Mr. Harris:

Congratulations on making the decision to address your weight and your health! I've known people with eating disorders and it is an incredibly difficult addiction to deal with. I wish you the best of luck and more than enough willpower and understanding to make get yourself down to a healthy weight in a healthy way.

Yes, I was thinking about an ar-15 rather than an m-16. I have a question for you, and feel free to not answer if you are not interested to. What about banning toy guns that look like the real thing? In large cities children have died while playing with these things because the police thought they were real weapons. I also see how it is a parent's responsibility to make sure that their children are playing with toys that are appropriate for them. Just curious about your thoughts.

Yes, I do see the NRA being like PeTA in a way. I think both organizations are more interested in money than in advancing their cause. Believe me, I don't think everyone who owns a gun is a "gun nut" who has a bunker full of assault weapons and is waiting for the collapse of society so he can blast away at everyone who comes within 100 feet of his property. I'd guess that 95% (or more) of gun owners are as responsible as people could be - taking precautions to make sure the guns are handled and stored safely and never taking them out to "play" with them.

As for your doctor, I don't know what kind of doctor you're seeing so I cannot say what kind of education he's hawd, but in general, M.D.'s do not get much training in nutrition. They learn the basics, which are highly influences by lobby groups for the meat and dairy industries. Few of them go on to learn more, because they are taught to focus on illness and how to correct it with medication and surgery. Just for kicks, if he's an internist or a GP, ask him how much training he's had in nutrition.

In any case, I wish you well.

Sincerely,
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BigTim, although I commend you and thank you very much for your effort, I feel you went about it slightly wrong. Kudos to you though.

The reason I say incorrect is that we already know we cannot argue or debate feelings when it comes to antis. They have feelings, we have feelings and they will not likely be changed. We need to remember to always argue/debate facts. Facts they can only refute by making up nonsense and they know it.

Hammer them with statistics and knowledge of the environment and the effects of deer numbers outnumbering themselves affecting all wildlife and ecosystems. We all know it's not all about the deer. They seem to forget the effects of deer numbers on songbirds, rodents, plants, insects, trees, forest restoration and ultimately human/animal encounters leading in many deaths of humans and animals alike. Hit them with facts and you might, MIGHT make a impression.
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Vegans are a joke. I have no problem with someone who chooses a vegetarian diet for the (perceived) health benefits, but in 99% of the cases, vegans are just ignorant. You can look in their cabinets and around their house and find a hundred examples of items that were produced from animals. It is a state of ignorant bliss, if you ask me. Not only that, but they justify themselves by attacking people who harm animals, yet have no problem eating plants (also living organisms). If you can truly justify that reasoning, let me know.

We have a large number of "vegans" just south of here in Ithaca. Many of them walk around in their Birkenstocks. Very fashionable, but this is a company that regularly uses leather in their products! Hello?!?

Sorry. I am off my soapbox now.
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