So I've had a startling issue come up recently. I've been shooting since late spring with my 101st, and had it shooting quite well. I broadhead tuned in mid August, and after some tweaking of the rest and my draw weight, I got the field points and BHs hitting pretty much dead on. I've since been practicing heavily with my FPs, but every now and then I get my broadheads back out to double check things.
Well, I recently attached my quiver (Alpine Soft-Loc), and I noticed that it's affecting my shooting a bit. I shoot with a bit more than a 45 degree grip. I basically put the throat of the grip at the base of my thumb, and let my fingers settle up front. Only pressure is holding the bow, my fingers are just touching the front of the grip. Anyways, with this grip, and the new added weight of the quiver, the bow really wants to lean to one side (obviously), so I find myself compensating, and although my shot sequence stays the same, and I'm sure I'm level before shooting, my arrows are hitting left. BHs are grouping great, and the FPs are right with them, so I'm consistant, but my POI has shifted since attaching the quiver. I never had this issue before, but I never shot with a correct grip before this year.
At first I was wondering if I was torquing due to the added compensation of the extra weight, but now I'm wondering if it's the bow moving to the side with the weight after firing. Since I really just let the bow since in my hand, after firing, or even during the firing, the bow could try to "right" itself, and thus cause the arrows to hit left. Whatever is happening, it's being very consistant, because like I said, my groups are great.
If many of you are wondering, my range requires a decent amount of cant on the bow due to the incline I'm shooting on, and as such, when I cant to one side, the quiver is fighting me in the opposite direction.
So, is this a realistic issue, or do I really just suck that bad?[8D]
I always practice without my quiver on my bow. When I get up in my tree I pull the quiver off and secure it with a strap. Maybe you can just do the same.
Shooting without the quiver makes one less thing I will probably bang on my stand or get caught on a limb.
do you have a sight level?? are you keeping an eye on it??
i dont hunt with my quiver 95% of the time...but i do throw it on loaded to practice just incase every so often....definently adds weight to the side of the bow which is awkward if your not used to it....
ive never noticed ill results from shooting with it on though....watch my level and get used to it and the arrows all fly true....just shot with it on the other day from the stand...no issues...
maybe someone may know more...maybe try shooting from level ground or a stand and see how it does...if you cant get er fixed, the soft loc comes off SUPER easy...throw it in the pack, hang it from the tree or your stand or something....i only use mine to carry arrows...once im in the tree its off....try to keep it handy, but when im on SGLs i cant screw into trees so it can be a challenge then..
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do you have a sight level?? are you keeping an eye on it??
i dont hunt with my quiver 95% of the time...but i do throw it on loaded to practice just incase every so often....definently adds weight to the side of the bow which is awkward if your not used to it....
ive never noticed ill results from shooting with it on though....watch my level and get used to it and the arrows all fly true....just shot with it on the other day from the stand...no issues...
maybe someone may know more...maybe try shooting from level ground or a stand and see how it does...if you cant get er fixed, the soft loc comes off SUPER easy...throw it in the pack, hang it from the tree or your stand or something....i only use mine to carry arrows...once im in the tree its off....try to keep it handy, but when im on SGLs i cant screw into trees so it can be a challenge then..
Good point on the level, but I've made it a point to make that part of my shot sequence, and I do check it. The problem is I look at it when first settling, but once I start to execute the shot, I never look back. If I'm fighting a bit with the quiver on, it could be pulling it off level, and I wouldn't even notice it. It's a non issue when I shoot without it, but maybe I just need to shoot with it more.
how long have you been shooting matt? just curious....
i havent been shooting overly long(3rd season) and havent had any coaching or lessons...just good ole HNI lessons lol...but ive always had a sight level...and always tried to shoot with a proper grip...i can honestly "feel" when my bow isnt level without looking at the level...and can level it without looking...ive been shooting the same bow...and relatively same overall form the whole time...same anchors, release etc...tweaked some things here and there but when i would, it would be after not shooting for a while so it was "easy" to learn...like different peep height and new anchors...my point is i never really changed how i shot so that feel was always there with teh grip and being level...and i used to shoot rediculous amounts....kinda engrained in me...
i can understand how your not used to the weight and the bow maybe shifting while your getting your pin float down etc and your not noticing....
my advice...practice with it on an loaded....or find a way to store it while on stand and dont shoot with it on....though its nice to know you CAN shoot with it on incase it ever happens...ive even practiced with it on and my stand on my back....if im ever walking to an evening stand, that very well could happen...
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You shoot on a range that is across asidehill for practice and sighting in ? LOL Good luck with that.
I would NEVER expect a bow to shoot the same with a quiver full of arrows....hence why I would never use a 2 piece quiver or leave mine attached to the bow.
If I ever planned to shoot with a quiver attached (which would take a large amount of monkeys flying out of my butt to ever do ) I would sight in my bow with it attached.
I don't think it's realistic to put that kind of lateral instability into your bow and expect it to hit where you were without it.
My suggestion is first to get your butt on level ground to sight in, then either sight in with it on, or sight in with it off and only hunt with it how you sight it in.
I would only shoot my bow (which I will do) with my quiver attached to let me know where the bow hits with it on in case I ever get caught having to shoot on my way to the stand with it still attached.
how long have you been shooting matt? just curious....
i havent been shooting overly long(3rd season) and havent had any coaching or lessons...just good ole HNI lessons lol...but ive always had a sight level...and always tried to shoot with a proper grip...i can honestly "feel" when my bow isnt level without looking at the level...and can level it without looking...ive been shooting the same bow...and relatively same overall form the whole time...same anchors, release etc...tweaked some things here and there but when i would, it would be after not shooting for a while so it was "easy" to learn...like different peep height and new anchors...my point is i never really changed how i shot so that feel was always there with teh grip and being level...and i used to shoot rediculous amounts....kinda engrained in me...
i can understand how your not used to the weight and the bow maybe shifting while your getting your pin float down etc and your not noticing....
my advice...practice with it on an loaded....or find a way to store it while on stand and dont shoot with it on....though its nice to know you CAN shoot with it on incase it ever happens...ive even practiced with it on and my stand on my back....if im ever walking to an evening stand, that very well could happen...
I've been shooting since I was 14 (now almost 24), but for most of those years, I didn't take it serious, nor was I doing much right Just this past two years I've concentrated more on form and shot execution (and even more this year). I just switched to left handed in April, but that shouldn't be any reason why this would happen. I can usually tell if my level is a bit off, but like I said, I'm shooting on ground that usually requires cant in the bow, so the level being off one way or another can simply feel like the bow is canted just a bit more. You're right, though, it really comes down to practice most likely.
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You shoot on a range that is across asidehill for practice and sighting in ? LOL Good luck with that.
Most of my range is my back yard, and much of it is on a sidehill. My 22yd (yes it's just one flat spot, don't ask), and 30-45yd area is on flat ground. Those are areas where I'm sighted in. I do practice, however, a lot on the side hill portions. I'm sighted in at 22, 30, and 40yds respectively, so it was sighted in at those ranges. When I was running into this issue, I was shooting on a slant, but even on level ground, the quiver still has the same effect of pulling me to one side or another. It's just more noticeable, and easier to correct on level ground when my bow ISN'T supposed to be canted and I can feel it canting.
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I would NEVER expect a bow to shoot the same with a quiver full of arrows....hence why I would never use a 2 piece quiver or leave mine attached to the bow.
If I ever planned to shoot with a quiver attached (which would take a large amount of monkeys flying out of my butt to ever do ) I would sight in my bow with it attached.
I don't think it's realistic to put that kind of lateral instability into your bow and expect it to hit where you were without it.
My suggestion is first to get your butt on level ground to sight in, then either sight in with it on, or sight in with it off and only hunt with it how you sight it in.
I would only shoot my bow (which I will do) with my quiver attached to let me know where the bow hits with it on in case I ever get caught having to shoot on my way to the stand with it still attached.
Good to see someone else doesn't shoot with theirs on. I'm seriously considering taking it off once in stand. I did, like I mentioned above, sight in on level ground, and with the quiver off. I'm shooting just fine with it off, it's when I put it on full of arrows, that I'm running into issues. Thanks, Matt. Appreciate it.
I only use my quiver to carry my arrows to my stand. Once I'm settled in the quiver comes off, and gets hung on a screw hook.I don't practice with the quiver on either. Just another potential noise maker/thing to get in the way.
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) I would sight in my bow with it attached. 
) I would sight in my bow with it attached. 
