Powerbelts
#3
RE: Powerbelts
I have not had the chance to hunt elk with the muzzleloader yet. As for the powerbelts, I see no reason at all why they would not be able to take an elk. I would use the 348 grain aero tip or bigger because of the penetration you would get with that design. Also they shoot the best out of my rifles.
There are other conicals out there you might want to look at. No Excuse makes 460 grain conicals which do well out of most rifles. There are also some Hornady Great Plains, T/C Maxi Ball, and Colorado Conicals sold at Cabelas.
One thing that a lot of people overlook is the large bore rifles and round ball. Granted you are using a .50 caliber so round ball is not perhaps your best choice.
I have a CVA Staghorn that with 90 grains of Goex FFg and a Powerbelt, I would not even think twice about shooting an elk. I really think this would be an effective load.
There are other conicals out there you might want to look at. No Excuse makes 460 grain conicals which do well out of most rifles. There are also some Hornady Great Plains, T/C Maxi Ball, and Colorado Conicals sold at Cabelas.
One thing that a lot of people overlook is the large bore rifles and round ball. Granted you are using a .50 caliber so round ball is not perhaps your best choice.
I have a CVA Staghorn that with 90 grains of Goex FFg and a Powerbelt, I would not even think twice about shooting an elk. I really think this would be an effective load.
#4
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 330
RE: Powerbelts
Somewhere further down this M/L topic, there is a similar question/thread. I had a response there with photo attached...kind of busy right now. Anyway, I took a nice 5x5 last year at about 80-90 yards with a 348 Gr Aerotip in Colorado. He side stepped twice and tipped over like a ton of bricks. I know another indivdual who did nearly the same thing.
Remember, in Colorado you cannot use pelleted powder, you must use loose powder. (110 gr of 777, 2F did the trick for me)
Remember, in Colorado you cannot use pelleted powder, you must use loose powder. (110 gr of 777, 2F did the trick for me)
#5
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 4
RE: Powerbelts
I have never been impressed with the powerbelts on the game taken here. however our deer are large and shot at close range, under 40 yards mainly.
the powerblets most often used are the hollowppint or areotipped ones, mainly 295 grain I believe, wihtout pulling out the records. THey did not penetrate fully and blew apart quickly. a great deal of meat was lsot due to copper shrapnel being all in it.
If this is a minor concern for you then you will like them and if this is your idea of good bullet performace then you will like them.
The debate over bullets staying in a critter and expending all it's energy vs. ungodly penetration and retained bullet weight will go on and on. you jsut have to pick one side and go with it.
I know that based on the performance of powerbelts on whitetails ehre I would never personally use them on elk or moose. I felt the three elk we've shot with 30-30's to be undergunned and a stroke of luck that they fell where they did. Many who cry the 30-30 and 32 are too little for an elk advocate less energy and worse trajectory in black powder. go figure.
I'd use a solid copper or full lead bullet, something that will hold together and penetrate better than the powerbelts we have had used here.
the powerblets most often used are the hollowppint or areotipped ones, mainly 295 grain I believe, wihtout pulling out the records. THey did not penetrate fully and blew apart quickly. a great deal of meat was lsot due to copper shrapnel being all in it.
If this is a minor concern for you then you will like them and if this is your idea of good bullet performace then you will like them.
The debate over bullets staying in a critter and expending all it's energy vs. ungodly penetration and retained bullet weight will go on and on. you jsut have to pick one side and go with it.
I know that based on the performance of powerbelts on whitetails ehre I would never personally use them on elk or moose. I felt the three elk we've shot with 30-30's to be undergunned and a stroke of luck that they fell where they did. Many who cry the 30-30 and 32 are too little for an elk advocate less energy and worse trajectory in black powder. go figure.
I'd use a solid copper or full lead bullet, something that will hold together and penetrate better than the powerbelts we have had used here.
#6
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Kerrville, Tx. USA
Posts: 2,722
RE: Powerbelts
Unfortunately, that is not an option in Colorado. You have to use a solid conical. No sabots allowed. I have not found any bullets that meet your criteria and meet Colorado's too.
I will be using the 405 aerotip powerbelt for my elk hunt this year with 95 grains of 777. My brother is using the 348 aerotip with 110 grains 777.
From what I am hearing, I am beginning to believe that you can possibly load too heavy for these kinds of bullets. In other words, I have heard of more failures of powerbelts at 150 grain loads than 100 grains of powder. Maybe these soft lead projectiles penetrate better and don't blow up as easy at lower velocities. Kind of like soft lead bullets fired from a high velocity rifle at close range that blow up on impact. Anyone else heard of this being the case. Anyway, I am confident in my load of 90 grains of 777. This is equivalent to 110 grains of black powder/pyrodex and has plenty of power to kill an elk out to 100 yards, my max range with open sights.
I will be using the 405 aerotip powerbelt for my elk hunt this year with 95 grains of 777. My brother is using the 348 aerotip with 110 grains 777.
From what I am hearing, I am beginning to believe that you can possibly load too heavy for these kinds of bullets. In other words, I have heard of more failures of powerbelts at 150 grain loads than 100 grains of powder. Maybe these soft lead projectiles penetrate better and don't blow up as easy at lower velocities. Kind of like soft lead bullets fired from a high velocity rifle at close range that blow up on impact. Anyone else heard of this being the case. Anyway, I am confident in my load of 90 grains of 777. This is equivalent to 110 grains of black powder/pyrodex and has plenty of power to kill an elk out to 100 yards, my max range with open sights.