Building a new smokeless ML
02-08-2017, 04:49 AM
#12
Boone & Crockett
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Eastern PA
Posts: 12,746
Dang SH that is a adventurous endeavor you're going after. Seems to me to be just too much trouble for a front stuffer and then use smokeless powder. IMO it's not much different that a single shot CF. I'm thinking myself of getting one of the single shot Henrys coming out in May in .45-70 and using BP in it. That should be an easy one to clean up after a day of shooting BP.
But to each their own and if you go through with it I wish you the best.
But to each their own and if you go through with it I wish you the best.
02-08-2017, 05:27 AM
#13
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
Im likely going with a barrel nut design for the same reason. I just need to decide if i want to sell a couple rifles, one of them i really like too. Even a small shank barrel can handle some really stiff loads but the room for error is virtually nill.
The new Kash 750-ML action is based on the Rem700 but it takes Savage large shank barrels. There is just way more "stuff" available for the Rem700. It will be a pricey build but i should be able to get around $2200-2300 for the 2 rifles. One i hardly ever shoot except for fun.
Right now im at
Kash Action...about $715
TriggerTech Trigger...around $130
Brux 458 1-20...around $465
Still need to decide if i want a $200+ LRMP setup or a sub $100 209 setup and a stock. My biggest problem is weight. I dont want to end up with another 11lb+ rifle. I already have one of those. Ive seen the barrel i would like but its setup as a RemAge and its $800 with the LRMP plug/25 modules.
If you already have a Rem700 action shell out the $800 and dont look back. This barrel should be quite a bit lighter. At 28" its only .750 but the shank is 6" long instead of the usual 4-5". Comes complete with nut. plug and 25 modules. All you need is a lug for it. Northland sells RemAge lugs if you want it pinned.
The new Kash 750-ML action is based on the Rem700 but it takes Savage large shank barrels. There is just way more "stuff" available for the Rem700. It will be a pricey build but i should be able to get around $2200-2300 for the 2 rifles. One i hardly ever shoot except for fun.
Right now im at
Kash Action...about $715
TriggerTech Trigger...around $130
Brux 458 1-20...around $465
Still need to decide if i want a $200+ LRMP setup or a sub $100 209 setup and a stock. My biggest problem is weight. I dont want to end up with another 11lb+ rifle. I already have one of those. Ive seen the barrel i would like but its setup as a RemAge and its $800 with the LRMP plug/25 modules.
If you already have a Rem700 action shell out the $800 and dont look back. This barrel should be quite a bit lighter. At 28" its only .750 but the shank is 6" long instead of the usual 4-5". Comes complete with nut. plug and 25 modules. All you need is a lug for it. Northland sells RemAge lugs if you want it pinned.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 02-08-2017 at 06:40 AM.
02-08-2017, 07:52 AM
#18
Nontypical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,695
Im likely going with a barrel nut design for the same reason. I just need to decide if i want to sell a couple rifles, one of them i really like too. Even a small shank barrel can handle some really stiff loads but the room for error is virtually nill.
The new Kash 750-ML action is based on the Rem700 but it takes Savage large shank barrels. There is just way more "stuff" available for the Rem700. It will be a pricey build but i should be able to get around $2200-2300 for the 2 rifles. One i hardly ever shoot except for fun.
Right now im at
Kash Action...about $715
TriggerTech Trigger...around $130
Brux 458 1-20...around $465
Still need to decide if i want a $200+ LRMP setup or a sub $100 209 setup and a stock. My biggest problem is weight. I dont want to end up with another 11lb+ rifle. I already have one of those. Ive seen the barrel i would like but its setup as a RemAge and its $800 with the LRMP plug/25 modules.
If you already have a Rem700 action shell out the $800 and dont look back. This barrel should be quite a bit lighter. At 28" its only .750 but the shank is 6" long instead of the usual 4-5". Comes complete with nut. plug and 25 modules. All you need is a lug for it. Northland sells RemAge lugs if you want it pinned.
The new Kash 750-ML action is based on the Rem700 but it takes Savage large shank barrels. There is just way more "stuff" available for the Rem700. It will be a pricey build but i should be able to get around $2200-2300 for the 2 rifles. One i hardly ever shoot except for fun.
Right now im at
Kash Action...about $715
TriggerTech Trigger...around $130
Brux 458 1-20...around $465
Still need to decide if i want a $200+ LRMP setup or a sub $100 209 setup and a stock. My biggest problem is weight. I dont want to end up with another 11lb+ rifle. I already have one of those. Ive seen the barrel i would like but its setup as a RemAge and its $800 with the LRMP plug/25 modules.
If you already have a Rem700 action shell out the $800 and dont look back. This barrel should be quite a bit lighter. At 28" its only .750 but the shank is 6" long instead of the usual 4-5". Comes complete with nut. plug and 25 modules. All you need is a lug for it. Northland sells RemAge lugs if you want it pinned.
Clem, the main reason for this rig is for me to be able to double my effective range with a muzzleloader. As I said earlier, one of the places I Moose hunt in AK is shotgun slug/muzzleloader/bow only. I just can't physically get into some of the places around that area quietly enough to get up on a good bull. Knees are just too shot up. Even the replaced one just doesn't have the stamina for grueling stalks. Being silent has always been a hard task for my big ole frame. Bad knees coupled with old age just makes that task beyond my abilities anymore. So, ya gotta do what ya gotta do! Spot it, drop it, go get it...Takes some of the fun out for sure as I have always enjoyed getting up on the bigguns but, in all honesty, I like eating them a bit more
02-08-2017, 09:04 AM
#19
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 5,605
The Rem700 is a better action overall although the Savage 16 Ultra Light would be cool. You simply have way more options using a Rem action and the Rem short action is a tad smaller than a Savage short action too.
The only other thing i can think of is you will need a single shot block off plate unless you already have a single shot action. Those are pretty common and pretty cheap too.
The only other thing i can think of is you will need a single shot block off plate unless you already have a single shot action. Those are pretty common and pretty cheap too.
Last edited by Gm54-120; 02-08-2017 at 09:06 AM.
02-08-2017, 09:29 AM
#20
Nontypical Buck
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,695
I think I could get by with just using a SS follower rather than a whole block off install. $10 vs. $100+ there. I THINK a buddy has a single shot 700 receiver that he was going to build a bench gun off of but the wife put the brakes on his build. Could probably trade him out of it reasonably. Lets wait and see what Hankins has to say about what I have and what he thinks will be best suited for what I want. I'm really liking the K98 thought simply because I don't think many, if any, have done it. I have so many rifles built off K98's it's kinda funny and it's an action I am highly familiar with so getting the "feel" of the rifle will be easy.