lost a deer. what do you think?
12-21-2014, 07:18 AM
#11
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Virginia / West Virginia
Posts: 4,906
Do you have access to a deer tracking dog? If they are legal where you are, you could certainly go back out today... I'm sure its been cold enough. Them dogs are amazing. If they are legal in your state and someone is relatively close to you, most of these guys live to have their dogs find deer for folks. Just a thought.
tracking dogs
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tracking dogs
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12-21-2014, 07:18 AM
#12
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The "empire" state-NY
Posts: 583
Frankly, almost every one I know across the age range who hunts has, at one time or another and for various reasons, lost an animal.
If you, yourself, have not and, further, do not know of anyone who has, I would say that is truly amazing.
12-21-2014, 07:22 AM
#13
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The "empire" state-NY
Posts: 583
12-21-2014, 07:26 AM
#14
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
I think you are simply vituperative.
Frankly, almost every one I know across the age range who hunts has, at one time or another and for various reasons, lost an animal.
If you, yourself, have not and, further, do not know of anyone who has, I would say that is truly amazing.
Frankly, almost every one I know across the age range who hunts has, at one time or another and for various reasons, lost an animal.
If you, yourself, have not and, further, do not know of anyone who has, I would say that is truly amazing.
12-21-2014, 07:32 AM
#15
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
Sometimes you can be lucky by putting all the odds in your favor. Some hunters take risky shots. Some don't. Of course long shots are always a bit risky for those who aren't skillful enough to make them. Others try risky shots like head shots. It can go on and on about what's risky, and what's not.
I think if someone take fairly close shots, and always takes nothing but double lung shots with good ammo that will give a pass through. The odds are in his favor to not lose an animal.
12-21-2014, 07:34 AM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Near a lake with no fish
Posts: 1,077
Do you have access to a deer tracking dog? If they are legal where you are, you could certainly go back out today... I'm sure its been cold enough. Them dogs are amazing. If they are legal in your state and someone is relatively close to you, most of these guys live to have their dogs find deer for folks. Just a thought.
tracking dogs
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tracking dogs
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If they don't allow tracking dogs in anyone's state, hunters there should be lobbying to get that allowed.
12-21-2014, 07:55 AM
#17
Spike
Thread Starter
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Lowell, IN and Land O' Lakes, WI
Posts: 16
Thanks guys.
Let's not get to hung up on if everyone has lost a deer or not. It really does not help the situation. It only turns the thread into a different argument.
I am leaving now with my daughter to search a bit more. I did walk circles yesterday trying to pick up any sort of blood or sign but came up with nothing. I was about 100 yards from the public land foundry which is the direction that they came from so if it went that way then I am out of luck.
Yea, I was super surprised and happy to find the ball. I was hoping to find it but I thought there was no way. Then I found the hair, then bone fragments, then I say the ball laying there. It didn't hit a tree or anything and man it was mushroomed out. So that was a heck of a hit no matter what. I did think possibly brisket due to the color of the blood, no bubbles and the hair I found. But with the bone fragments I found and the fact that there is lead on the back of the bone fragment, it leads me to believe that a slightly quartering away deer that looses bone from the opposite side of the deer then it could not have gone through brisket and hit bone on the opposite side. If I would have hit the leg with that much ball mushrooming then it would have destroyed her leg and I would have seen her hobbling away on three legs.
All I can do is put in a little more time and see if I can come up with something. I just feel with that much ball damage and bone and that much blood 30 yards away from standing there for 10-15 seconds I should have been able to see more blood and find her.
I hate this part about hunting. This would be my first ML kill so I have no experience with this the way I do in reading an arrow after an archery kill.
Thanks for the help.
Let's not get to hung up on if everyone has lost a deer or not. It really does not help the situation. It only turns the thread into a different argument.
I am leaving now with my daughter to search a bit more. I did walk circles yesterday trying to pick up any sort of blood or sign but came up with nothing. I was about 100 yards from the public land foundry which is the direction that they came from so if it went that way then I am out of luck.
Yea, I was super surprised and happy to find the ball. I was hoping to find it but I thought there was no way. Then I found the hair, then bone fragments, then I say the ball laying there. It didn't hit a tree or anything and man it was mushroomed out. So that was a heck of a hit no matter what. I did think possibly brisket due to the color of the blood, no bubbles and the hair I found. But with the bone fragments I found and the fact that there is lead on the back of the bone fragment, it leads me to believe that a slightly quartering away deer that looses bone from the opposite side of the deer then it could not have gone through brisket and hit bone on the opposite side. If I would have hit the leg with that much ball mushrooming then it would have destroyed her leg and I would have seen her hobbling away on three legs.
All I can do is put in a little more time and see if I can come up with something. I just feel with that much ball damage and bone and that much blood 30 yards away from standing there for 10-15 seconds I should have been able to see more blood and find her.
I hate this part about hunting. This would be my first ML kill so I have no experience with this the way I do in reading an arrow after an archery kill.
Thanks for the help.
12-21-2014, 07:59 AM
#18
Typical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The "empire" state-NY
Posts: 583
Thanks guys.
Let's not get to hung up on if everyone has lost a deer or not. It really does not help the situation. It only turns the thread into a different argument.
I am leaving now with my daughter to search a bit more. I did walk circles yesterday trying to pick up any sort of blood or sign but came up with nothing. I was about 100 yards from the public land foundry which is the direction that they came from so if it went that way then I am out of luck.
Yea, I was super surprised and happy to find the ball. I was hoping to find it but I thought there was no way. Then I found the hair, then bone fragments, then I say the ball laying there. It didn't hit a tree or anything and man it was mushroomed out. So that was a heck of a hit no matter what. I did think possibly brisket due to the color of the blood, no bubbles and the hair I found. But with the bone fragments I found and the fact that there is lead on the back of the bone fragment, it leads me to believe that a slightly quartering away deer that looses bone from the opposite side of the deer then it could not have gone through brisket and hit bone on the opposite side. If I would have hit the leg with that much ball mushrooming then it would have destroyed her leg and I would have seen her hobbling away on three legs.
All I can do is put in a little more time and see if I can come up with something. I just feel with that much ball damage and bone and that much blood 30 yards away from standing there for 10-15 seconds I should have been able to see more blood and find her.
I hate this part about hunting This would be my first ML kill so I have no experience with this the way I do in reading an arrow after an archery kill.
Thanks for the help.
Let's not get to hung up on if everyone has lost a deer or not. It really does not help the situation. It only turns the thread into a different argument.
I am leaving now with my daughter to search a bit more. I did walk circles yesterday trying to pick up any sort of blood or sign but came up with nothing. I was about 100 yards from the public land foundry which is the direction that they came from so if it went that way then I am out of luck.
Yea, I was super surprised and happy to find the ball. I was hoping to find it but I thought there was no way. Then I found the hair, then bone fragments, then I say the ball laying there. It didn't hit a tree or anything and man it was mushroomed out. So that was a heck of a hit no matter what. I did think possibly brisket due to the color of the blood, no bubbles and the hair I found. But with the bone fragments I found and the fact that there is lead on the back of the bone fragment, it leads me to believe that a slightly quartering away deer that looses bone from the opposite side of the deer then it could not have gone through brisket and hit bone on the opposite side. If I would have hit the leg with that much ball mushrooming then it would have destroyed her leg and I would have seen her hobbling away on three legs.
All I can do is put in a little more time and see if I can come up with something. I just feel with that much ball damage and bone and that much blood 30 yards away from standing there for 10-15 seconds I should have been able to see more blood and find her.
I hate this part about hunting This would be my first ML kill so I have no experience with this the way I do in reading an arrow after an archery kill.
Thanks for the help.
All you can do is continue to search...
12-21-2014, 08:06 AM
#19
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Colorado
Posts: 9,557
mainjet........I'm curious about who made the ball? Normally, they don't break up like that.
As for finding the deer? All you can do is look for it during the hunt. If it takes too long the critters will have found her, and it doesn't matter if you find her or not. of course if she's alive, and not hurt that bad you'll never find her.
Sorry, for taking the thread in another direction, but it was related to the topic too. I see too many times someone saying everybody loses an animal. After awhile hunters come to expect it, and that's a wrong attitude to have. Someone will not find an animal right away, and just say to themselves..........Oh well, it happens to everybody, so no big deal. It's always a big deal.
I'm not pointing this at you, but to those who give up looking too fast.
As for finding the deer? All you can do is look for it during the hunt. If it takes too long the critters will have found her, and it doesn't matter if you find her or not. of course if she's alive, and not hurt that bad you'll never find her.
Sorry, for taking the thread in another direction, but it was related to the topic too. I see too many times someone saying everybody loses an animal. After awhile hunters come to expect it, and that's a wrong attitude to have. Someone will not find an animal right away, and just say to themselves..........Oh well, it happens to everybody, so no big deal. It's always a big deal.
I'm not pointing this at you, but to those who give up looking too fast.
12-21-2014, 09:07 AM
#20
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 21,193
Reference Tracking Dogs...
Dog Use in Wisconsin
It is illegal to hunt deer with dogs. We know this and respect the law.
Note: dogs kept on a leash may be used to follow a blood trail in order to locate a suspected dead deer, provided that the trackers do not possess any firearm, bow or crossbow.
This is great to see. Years ago I asked a warden in Wisconsin the same question and he flat out told me, if he caught me using my dog to track a wounded deer, I would be fined. A dog can track a deer in minutes, compared to a man searching for blood and track. A good tracking dog is amazing to watch.
Dog Use in Wisconsin
It is illegal to hunt deer with dogs. We know this and respect the law.
Note: dogs kept on a leash may be used to follow a blood trail in order to locate a suspected dead deer, provided that the trackers do not possess any firearm, bow or crossbow.
This is great to see. Years ago I asked a warden in Wisconsin the same question and he flat out told me, if he caught me using my dog to track a wounded deer, I would be fined. A dog can track a deer in minutes, compared to a man searching for blood and track. A good tracking dog is amazing to watch.