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Old 12-13-2011, 05:53 AM   #1
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Sometime back, American Rifleman IIRC, did a test of typical sporting rifles to see how clean (or dirty) a gun was, affected accuracy. IIRC the average was something like 500 rounds without cleaning was needed to get peak accuracy.

With BH209, or perhaps the next emanation, are we getting close to a M/L that is going to shoot better without cleaning (Whites not withstanding), or at least will not need to be cleaned.
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Old 12-13-2011, 07:05 AM   #2
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Sometime back, American Rifleman IIRC, did a test of typical sporting rifles to see how clean (or dirty) a gun was, affected accuracy. IIRC the average was something like 500 rounds without cleaning was needed to get peak accuracy.

With BH209, or perhaps the next emanation, are we getting close to a M/L that is going to shoot better without cleaning (Whites not withstanding), or at least will not need to be cleaned.
With BH i am not sure you want to proceed down that road... Bh does contain a small amount of Potassium and Sulphur. And BH has been shown that it can rust the barrel also - but it does take moisture.
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Old 12-13-2011, 07:15 AM   #3
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I'll call bull on that one.

My .270 will shoot .400 groups @100yds with a squeaky clean barrel.
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Old 12-13-2011, 09:13 AM   #4
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As far as CF rifles are concerned. i clean them after the hunting season is closed, then the following year there checked prior to season for accuracy and the barrel doesn't get cleaned until the season is over.every person i hunt with basically does the same thing. muzzle loaders i clean after every shooting session.the only time i do not follow this regiment is during the hunting season using BH209 powder,it then gets a cleaning after the season.
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:02 AM   #5
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i call bull on that one too. i fire an awful lot of centerfire rifle ammo every year. The accuracy of some of my rifles goes to pot after 50 rounds are fired without cleaning the bore.

The copper monolithic bullets foul a barrel very fast especially when driven at high velocity. After firing 100 rounds of my handloads using the 53 grain Barnes TSX bullet, the bore of my .223 was very badly fouled. Used a friends Outers Foul Out to get the bore clean.
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:26 AM   #7
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The Rem 700 I just bought was abused. I almost think he never cleaned it. I gave it a quick cleaning and went to the range. Best I could get was 2" groups.

A bore light showed the grooves full of fouling. It took two days of scrubbing, a whole bag of patches, and two brushes that I wore out to get it clean.

Now it shoots less than half MOA.

ML or CF. I keep my guns clean.
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Old 12-13-2011, 01:46 PM   #8
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When I used to shoot center fire rifles I found they always shot best on a clean bore. Muzzle loaders hold true to the same thing. But some like to be fouled a little.
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Old 12-13-2011, 04:39 PM   #9
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You can add me to the list of disagreers. Like Muley, I had a Rem 700 in .270 that shot under an inch all day long and cleaned it after every shooting session. After about 15 years, the accuracy began to deterioriate. I gave that bore a good scrubbing with JB compound and Hoppe's Elite. This combo removed the minute copper fouling buildup in the corners of the rifling and the rifle was back to shooting like when it was new.
As for MLs, I will continue to keep mine as clean as I possibly can.
I swear sometimes these writers just right for the sake of getting a check. I don't believe you will ever find a competition shooter who doesn't keep his firearm clean.
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