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Originally Posted by INRecordBookBuck
I agree SL, I actually started the poll to see how much Knight would go up after them starting to make ML again... It actually is a little lower for Knight than I would have anticipated.... I really thought they would topple T/C...
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You are more of an optimist than I am... TC has more variety to choose from and are bound to sell more because of past performance and the fact they have break opens, the current rage. My only concern about TC is I wish they would use a different process for producing their barrels. Their process can result in the barrel being off center just a bit at the muzzle. Which has nothing to do with accuracy or barrel performance - it just looks odd. Their process is less expensive but it sometimes looks odd - so the QLA hides the small error.
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But, as you say in a saturated market, i am suprised any of the MFG are doing as good as they are... I know you pointed out TC and there struggle, what would make you think that knight would fair any better??
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I am not sure that Knight will or can do any better right out of the gate. I think they are a lot of brand loyal people out there that will help with Knights re-opening and I think some of that loyalty will rub off on to other shooters.
THE KEY is if the new Knights can perform as well or better than the orginals.
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Still a saturated market and other than the new Mountaineer, the rest of the line up is the same as what is already in the market place from them. Even the mountaineer is not much of a change from the disc extreme.
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In my eyes your assement if very close to correct.. the real differences in the new Extreme and the old Extremes is suttle but they are there. The new Extreme offers the Elite's "forked recoil lug" which is widely thought as being the key to the superior accuracy of the Knight DISC Elite. The new Extreme offers a modified breech plug plug that is inline with the new requirements for shooting BH which also makes it more efficient with other subs. I think the new stock is also a step forward and the inletting that goes along with that new stock is uppose to be superior to older versions. I do not know because i have never used it but the
bore coating process is suppose to be a step forward also.
All of these same things are offered in the Mountaineer + plus the new primer handling abilities of the Mountaineer bolt and the upgraded wood laminate stocks - for those that prefer wood to composite.
The price difference between the two rifles is mainly in the the stock (wood vs. composite) and the production of the new bolt assembly. Those are my thoughts anyway.
Lastly I think there were no contractual changes to the quality of the material used in the production of the Green Mountain SS barrels other than tolerances were tighten, which does also increase the price of production - but for us the consumer - I think tighter tolerances are for the better.
The last thing I would add or suggest... if I were to haul my 2001 TC SS Omega to the range and one of my current DISC Extremes to the same range - shoot them both for accuracy - I, with my shooting abilities, probably could not show you on paper the difference between the two. But for hunting I do prefer to use the Knight.
But it really is an individual preference thing once you get by the brand name.
So does any of this make sense?
Muzzleloader Preferences...
? Seriously, but these guys are not dedicated ML shooters- they just shoot a couple times a year for practice then go out deer hunting.
