Knight now has BH209 data listed for BloodLines

Gm54-120 · 07-24-2011, 04:00 PM

It doesn't list the MV but starts at 50 yards for the new Bloodlines with 100gr and 120gr charges in the 50cals. There isnt any 52cal load data yet but their data leads me to ask a question.

On Lehighs site the minimum recommended fps at impact is 1400-1500fps. I can only assume the BloodLines are similar because i don't have any BloodLines and no one has posted a comparison that ive seen.

The hottest loads listed don't retain that much fps past roughly 150 yards with any weight yet retain enough fpe according to Knights data.

Most of us will probably never shoot 200 yards and ive got 100 of the 458-275s for use in my brush gun and the NULA. So its not that important to me if i can get them into the 2100fps range accurately with my NULA and my shots are close enough with the GMB54. Lehighs own data recommends over 2300fps MV with the 40-200gr with an unknown powder for stability and the only 300gr data listed is over 2100fps-2200fps MV using smokeless.

So i guess the question is....

Will the Bloodlines perform the same at the lower impact velocities? Will the petals shear as intended at say...1200fps which should be doable in a sub gun at 200 yards? Im guessing they will but......When in doubt its better to ask in a forum used by one of the main people that has used them under a wide range of conditions.

Grouse45 · 07-24-2011, 07:00 PM

I think your misunderstanding something. The Bloodlines/Lehighs have been tested at 900fps and the petals still sheared. Now keep in mind, when it does get very slow it works like every other bullet. The petals bend back and stay on like a conventional mushrooming bullet. You really cant have a bad result.

When i was at Knight, we tested the bullets at 200yds with 110grns of BH209 and a 250grn bullet. All it takes is a white sheet of paper behind a water bag and you will see if the petals sheer.

Here is a picture of a sheet of paper behind a water bag. It's really easy to see the petals.

Grouse45 · 07-24-2011, 07:03 PM

Your right, i just checked the web-site and saw what you did. He's being over cautious for sure. Nothing wrong with that, and you can do the test yourself to see how it performs.

MountainDevil54 · 07-24-2011, 07:06 PM

anyone have a picture of a lehigh with the pedals just curled back like a normal bullet?

Grouse45 · 07-24-2011, 07:15 PM

This is a 4 petal copper hand gun bullet. But this is what it would look like if they didn't shear off.

Grouse45 · 07-24-2011, 07:19 PM

http://lehighdefense.com/index.html

You might find more info in here.

MountainDevil54 · 07-24-2011, 07:21 PM

i thought lehigh wasnt messing around with copper anymore due to it being hard to machine? What i was told anyway when i asked about the full bore lehigh.

Grouse45 · 07-25-2011, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54

i thought lehigh wasnt messing around with copper anymore due to it being hard to machine? What i was told anyway when i asked about the full bore lehigh.

Not true at all. They got so busy with Knight it's just on hold. Sabotloader is more involved with the sabotless then i. The new ML we are building will be built around sabot less and still shoot sabots.

Gm54-120 · 07-25-2011, 04:52 AM

Thank you, that answered my question completely. I was fairly sure it would still function and i know Dave is very cautious with his ratings to insure satisfaction. His site does specify 1400-1500 minimum for all his hunting bullets but i assumed since his BC seems a bit low that he was also being conservative about design rating performance also.

I just wanted to hear it from someone that has the most experience with them. I want to give them a good workout with smokeless since most of the other guys have little interest in them and i want to try the 458-275gr this year in my GMB54. Im 99% sure it will shoot them to my satisfaction but im not sure about the NULA....yet. I need to get some BloodLines with the different base radius for it possibly but if i can get 2100 fps with my Lehighs, i will be happy with that.

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The new ML we are building will be built around sabot less and still shoot sabots.

If that is what i hope it might be and will be SML rated at $1500 or less. Put me on the list i want a lighter 45cal for hunting.

Thanks Grouse.

oldsmellhound · 07-25-2011, 07:36 AM

I took a 10 point buck last year with the 185 Lehigh. I was only using 80 grains of T7. The petals most certainly separated- I found several lodged in the off-side rib cage and shoulder when butchering the deer. Now, the deer was only 40 yards away, so I'm sure the impact velocity was over 1,500 fps, but it sure worked good.

Later that day I took a doe at a much longer range with the same powder charge, unfortunately.... not with a Lehigh- I was out and had to reload with a Shockwave