209 Primers

[50calty]

I thought I started a thread about this long ago, but I can't find it. Or someone else started it and I commented on it. Was on BH209 website and they liked the CCI or Federal. I've been using Win209. Havn't had any problems with them but I still wonder if the others would be better. I'm just starting to run out of Win209 and before I buy another brick I want to know if there is a better primer. Does CCI or Federal foul less? What do you guys use and why? Maybe I need to buy a 100 of each.

[sabotloader]

50calty

Western Powders as steadfastly recommended those two primers, as they are the hottest, because BH is so difficult to ignite in many different guns. In reality those two primers will build up more carbon fouling in the breech plug than the cooler primers.

If you have the right breech plug inplace and it is able to breath you probably would not need to use those primers.

With my BP's and a vent liner installed I can ignite BH with a Win T7 primer or even a an old Remington 209-4.

If the Wins are working for you - even in the colder weather without a problem - stay with them. It really is not that BH is that much harder to start in clod weather but some of the heat from, your primer is lost warming up the flash channel and metal on the way to the powder... so a greater percentage of heat is lost in clod weather than warmer weather.

[lemoyne]

Is clod wearther colder than normal cold?

[sabotloader]

Originally Posted by lemoyne

Is clod wearther colder than normal cold?

Could be!!! I wonder what I was talking about...

[50calty]

I havn't had any problem with them at all. Even in below zero temps the rifle went off without a hitch. Win209 has enough carbon build up as it is. I couldn't imagine anything worse. So maybe it would be best to stick with W209. Come to think of it I havn't even came across a bad primer that didn't go off.

[Muley Hunter]

Originally Posted by sabotloader

50calty

Western Powders as steadfastly recommended those two primers, as they are the hottest, because BH is so difficult to ignite in many different guns. In reality those two primers will build up more carbon fouling in the breech plug than the cooler primers.

If you have the right breech plug inplace and it is able to breath you probably would not need to use those primers.

With my BP's and a vent liner installed I can ignite BH with a Win T7 primer or even a an old Remington 209-4.

If the Wins are working for you - even in the colder weather without a problem - stay with them. It really is not that BH is that much harder to start in clod weather but some of the heat from, your primer is lost warming up the flash channel and metal on the way to the powder... so a greater percentage of heat is lost in clod weather than warmer weather.

Have you experimented to see if there's any accuracy differences in the primers?

[MountainDevil54]

i know the 686 primers sucked badly with BH209.

i still prefer the hot cci mags. I dont want to take a chance at a pop- no boom.

[sabotloader]

Originally Posted by Muley Hunter

Have you experimented to see if there's any accuracy differences in the primers?

Yes, I have on many different occasions...

For me different primers have caused a shift in POI, but not really group size.

The POI is not really that significant either... I'l see if I can find an example....

This was a target shot using the same load for each but changing the primer. When I was shooting this target I was shooting it to test the theory that some one expressed that the hooter primer produced significant more velocities with BH than the cooler primers... bah humbug!

The target was not shot for real accurracy... as I just loaded and set down and sighted in and pulled the trigger... so a lot of those impacts out of the group were my doing - not the gun or the powder - the bullet ...

[builder459]

Originally Posted by sabotloader

Yes, I have on many different occasions...

For me different primers have caused a shift in POI, but not really group size.

The POI is not really that significant either... I'l see if I can find an example....

This was a target shot using the same load for each but changing the primer. When I was shooting this target I was shooting it to test the theory that some one expressed that the hooter primer produced significant more velocities with BH than the cooler primers... bah humbug!

The target was not shot for real accurracy... as I just loaded and set down and sighted in and pulled the trigger... so a lot of those impacts out of the group were my doing - not the gun or the powder - the bullet ...

This is a great example of why i do not mess with trying different primers. i have read and seen several reports just like this example.i use STS primers, while not magnums there somewhere in the middle, of course the POI will change a little using various primers.find one thats ignites your powder of choice and stick with it and your POI will be consistent. great post Mike, way to much bad info on primers dramatically changing the POI circulating. Ray

[sabotloader]

Originally Posted by builder459

This is a great example of why i do not mess with trying different primers. i have read and seen several reports just like this example.i use STS primers, while not magnums there somewhere in the middle, of course the POI will change a little using various primers.find one thats ignites your powder of choice and stick with it and your POI will be consistent. great post Mike, way to much bad info on primers dramatically changing the POI circulating. Ray

I honestly do not know if it is bad information, because I know that there are folks that have real problems with POI shift and primers, I just have not been able to show it in my shooting. I have ran the same type thing using the Omega and even my Rem 700.

A couple of weeks ago I even switched from 209 primers in one of the DISC Elites to a Knight Western Kit (bolt and breech plug) and shot #11 caps. While the POI shifted down and right a little bit, it was not a drammatic shift, heck it could have even been for another reason.