logo
 

Go Back   HuntingNet.com Forums > Firearms Forum > Black Powder

Black Powder Ask opinions of other hunters on new technology, gear, and the methods of blackpowder hunting.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-10-2010, 03:37 PM   #1
Fork Horn
 
Doug100g's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ohio
Posts: 166
Default XTP Exit Hole Or Entrance Hole? You Decide

XTP Exit Hole Or Entrance Hole? You Decide

The winner of this game I will send a video for free called “Trophy Score”. The DVD will be a gift to the first person who can guess the picture that contains the exit wound. Think hard. There is no trick photography. These are the actual pics we took of my deer shot with a 240g XTP using 100g BH 209.

This is a follow up from my original thread on “First BH 209 Dear”.

As we remember, I have great respect for XTP bullets for deer hunting. However, I had no blood trail on my latest deer that I shot at 120 yards. Even though the deer was recovered just 90 yards away, my concern was that maybe BH 209 pushes the XTP to fast for its intended design.

So for fun, I thought I would post some pics of the entrance and exit hole of the deer. What I would like is for you to tell me which picture you guess is the entrance hole and which one is the exit hole?

After a couple of dozen guesses I will tell you who got the question right. The winner can PM me their address and I will send them the video.




D
Attached Images
File Type: jpg dougs-deer-first-pic.jpg (42.3 KB, 82 views)
File Type: jpg dougs-deer-second-pic.jpg (22.8 KB, 67 views)
File Type: jpg dougs-deer-third-pic.jpg (30.4 KB, 66 views)
File Type: jpg dougs-deer-forth-pic.jpg (30.1 KB, 61 views)
__________________
Thumb-Hole Omega 50cal with Nikon Omega BDC
Doug100g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 03:41 PM   #2
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Saxonburg Pa
Posts: 2,085
Default

The bottom pic is the exit.
Grouse45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 03:48 PM   #3
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Yucca Valley,Ca
Posts: 2,491
Default

Wow they look the same,guess someone had a 50/50 chance of guessing right lol!been my experience the exits wounds are larger and nastier looking from expansion and pushing parts that may be hit on the way out...interesting
builder459 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 03:50 PM   #4
Giant Nontypical
 
sabotloader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 8,789
Default

Doug100g

Guessing... #4 entrance #3 Exit... really hard to tell - should be able to tell more with shots inside the chest cavity....
__________________
Keep on Shooting Muzzleloaders they are a Blast
sabotloader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 03:52 PM   #5
Boone & Crockett
 
cayugad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 17,919
Default

2&4 are entrance, 1&3 are exit holes.
__________________
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, a total wreck, screaming Yahoo, with a big smile on your face."
cayugad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 04:28 PM   #6
Giant Nontypical
 
MountainDevil54's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Boncarbo,CO
Posts: 5,720
Default

NICE! Perfect shot placement
MountainDevil54 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-10-2010, 04:33 PM   #7
Nontypical Buck
 
Gm54-120's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,416
Default

1&3 are exit holes
2&4 are entrance holes
__________________
Green Mountain 54-120
ULA Model 20 50cal
Savage MLII SS Pacnor 45
Savage MLII SS/Laminate 50
Gm54-120 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 04:26 AM   #8
Fork Horn
 
Doug100g's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Ohio
Posts: 166
Default

1 and 3 are entrance holes. 2 and 4 are exit holes.

The holes are the same diameter. Where the XTP entered, it hit a rib and split the rib. Upon exit, it hit between the ribs. Both lungs were struck in the hoop.

As I told you before no blood trail of any significance. And no mushrooming of XTP upon exit.

Looks like Grouse got it right from the start. PM me your address Grouse so I can send you the video.

Thanks to the rest for guessing. I know it was hard to tell from pics where the bullet entered and exited but the holes where that small.

My next deer will be shot with a Barns Tez and I will post pics of what it does upon entering or exiting.


D
__________________
Thumb-Hole Omega 50cal with Nikon Omega BDC
Doug100g is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 08:20 AM   #9
Giant Nontypical
 
sabotloader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 8,789
Default

Doug100g

Somehow I knew you were throwing reverse phycology(sp) in there but I went with my eyes...

Although, not always is the size of the exit hole the detirming factor. It is really what the bullet does as it crosses the body.

A couple of examples would be the Nosler, Barnes, and Lehigh.

None of these bullet may create a large exit hole, but the destruction they do inside is noteworthy.

Example:

This is a recovered Noser .458/300 Partition from an elk I shot a couple years back. For a Nosler this is absolute best expansion.



This particular shot did not make a large exit wound at all. Came out of the hide and made a 3/4" hole.

The results... the animal took a couple steps turned 180* and dropped on the spot.



I am pointing to the exit wound... not very impressive huh?

But what did it do in between.



Inside... when I opened her up - all the organs in the chest cavity were ruptured... not much were you able to recognize other than all of the dark red jello in the chest cavity.

Another example might be this year deer harvest. I was shooing a 40 cal/200 grain Lehigh. The entrance hole was really less than impressive.. 40 is awful small, and the exit was also 40 cal but what it did in between was awesome if not amazing. This animal also only moved a few feet and turned 180*

The exit wound on this deer is just to the left of the objective lens on the scope - you can see some blood in the area.... not real impressive at all. But it was pretty much a bang flop.



But again the internal damage was so great it over road the animals instinct to run... it just simply could not...



I should also say that are times when I do not get these clean shots and the bullet contacts a solid bone on the way out and really creates a big hole on the way out....

So all I am trying to say is not everything can be judged by hole size...
__________________
Keep on Shooting Muzzleloaders they are a Blast
sabotloader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-11-2010, 08:43 AM   #10
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,300
Default

Inless you have the bullet in your hand, you don't know if it mushroomed...The faster a bullet is travelling the faster it mushrooms the more internal damage it makes and the faster it slows down...

The problem is, once it slows down it will not make as large of an exit hole, it will simply punch through the hide...The hide on the off side actually acts like a catcher's mitt...It expands out and stops many bullets that have slowed down and mushroomed...

Where that deer was shot you wouldn't have had a blood trail even if hit with say a 150gr Nosler Partation from a 30-06...

You'll have a higher percentage of exits and blood trails if you are hunting from a tree stand and hitting them about 4 inches above the bottom of the chest...

That bullet actually did a good job it killed the deer and did enogh internal damage that it fell within a hundred yards of the hit...
nchawkeye is online now   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

 

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:41 PM.