logo
 

Go Back   HuntingNet.com Forums > Firearms Forum > Black Powder

Black Powder Ask opinions of other hunters on new technology, gear, and the methods of blackpowder hunting.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-03-2010, 08:08 AM   #1
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,780
Default Shooting the White,

I received and mounted the Lyman sight and Sunday afternoon went to shoot it. Things didn't do all that good the first 2 sessions. Sunday afternoon was session 1 . I shot 460 gr bullshops and 70 gr 777 and 75 gr pyrodex. Took about 20 shots . First couple at 25 yads to see if it was on paper. It was so i went to 50 yards. took about a dozen shots and finally achieved about a 2 inch group. Not good. The main problem I encountered was the cap wouldn't fire on first pull. It took the first shot to seat the cap and then it fired on the second shot. I quit after about 20 shots of this and decided to try again later. Monday I polished the nipple to see if the cap would seat better.
I couldn't change nipples because the nipple is part of the breechplug. well I went back out and shot 10 more shots. same result, took 2 trigger pulls to fire. . I decided to take a little more off the nipple, so I used my diamond sharpener and worked on it til the cap was seated good but still tight enough to form a good seal.I was running low on conicals til an order comes in so I grabbed some 250 gr shockwaves with black sabots just for fun. I went back out and realized i only had containers of 100 gr 777 powder. decided to shoot it anyway to see if it would fire first time.
It fired flawlessly and i found that a 100 gr 777 and a 250 gr shockwave gives a great group. Not exactly a conventional load for a white I realize but a 3/4 inch group at 100 yards with open sights. I might have to hunt with that load. I will post some pictures.
The sight after installation




Sunday and Monday i shot off of sticks both days.Above is part of my loading and support crew.
On Tuesday i shot off the hood of the truck ,100 gr 777 250 shockwave and open sights at 100 yards.

The group is high I realize but a good group for me with open sights at that distance. I still have a long way to go to get the 460 bullshops grouping though.

Last edited by mountaineer magic; 11-03-2010 at 08:21 AM. Reason: add photo
mountaineer magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 09:06 AM   #2
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Minnesota
Posts: 1,449
Default

Hi Chet,
What kind of caps were you using? With my White's I had a lot of the same thing happen with it taking two hits with the hammer, I have switched to the Remington #11 caps and for me it has made a huge difference.
I am surprised you are not getting better groups with that 460 grain Bullshop. Can you feel it lightly engage the rifling when you load it? Have you thought about trying Goex? I know you will get it to shoot better.
Art
__________________
"Just because you're paranoid it doesn't mean everyone is not out to get you"
flounder33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 09:53 AM   #3
Giant Nontypical
 
MountainDevil54's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Boncarbo,CO
Posts: 5,720
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by chetmarks View Post
Look at the muzzle!



MountainDevil54 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 12:16 PM   #4
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,780
Default

I figured someone would say that. But it is only the angle of the photo, plus the gun is not loaded. I was removing a cap. my kids are taught to be behind me at all times when i am shooting . They know not to get in front of or point a gun at anyone, even if it is not loaded. She is off to the side.and plenty safe.
mountaineer magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 12:19 PM   #5
Giant Nontypical
 
sabotloader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 8,789
Default

FG/MD

Why not do this type of thing through a PM? Safety is important and I assume that is what you are getting at, but IMO a private reminder might have been better for all...
__________________
Keep on Shooting Muzzleloaders they are a Blast

Last edited by sabotloader; 11-03-2010 at 12:58 PM.
sabotloader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 12:55 PM   #6
Giant Nontypical
 
sabotloader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 8,789
Default

chetmarks

Another possibility is the plunger spring may have gotten weak or even shortened over time.

Might call Doc at home - he might even still have some of thse springs in his collection of parts at home - call in the evenings...

What diameter of Bull Shops are you using?
__________________
Keep on Shooting Muzzleloaders they are a Blast
sabotloader is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 01:18 PM   #7
Giant Nontypical
 
MountainDevil54's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Boncarbo,CO
Posts: 5,720
Default

LOL sabotloader, its called a joke. Why dont you get out of the house for a while and take a breather.
MountainDevil54 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 01:39 PM   #8
Boone & Crockett
 
cayugad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 17,919
Default

What diameter of conical were you shooting out of that pretty rifle?
__________________
"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, a total wreck, screaming Yahoo, with a big smile on your face."
cayugad is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 03:37 PM   #9
Nontypical Buck
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,780
Default

They are .504 bullshops but they slid down very easy. Didn't need to push them. Using the 777 since I swab after every shot they were always an easy fit. When I switched to pyrodex they got tight after the 4th shot and the fouling built up. But they were only tight the last 1 or 2 inches. I thought they felt to loose, but they say .504.
mountaineer magic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2010, 03:44 PM   #10
Giant Nontypical
 
sabotloader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Idaho
Posts: 8,789
Default

chetmarks

Just my experiance and I can relate the same experiance that another member had (C-Daddy) In our U-Mags the .504s were to loose. We had to order the largest Dan had, a .5045s to get the best accuracy from the U-mags. We also used the shot cards underneath. 'Cascade Dad' shot a much heavier load than I did - he was using Swiss and I was using T7-3f. But both of us were confident that were getting obturation of the bullet to fit the bore. Neither one of us patched after a load.
__________________
Keep on Shooting Muzzleloaders they are a Blast

Last edited by sabotloader; 11-03-2010 at 03:46 PM.
sabotloader is offline   Reply With Quote
 
 
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

 

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:35 PM.