What does it mean bonded on the TC shockwave sabot bullets. Do i need bonded or none bonded for deer through a Triumph
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Bonded means that the lead core is chemically bonded to the copper jacket, helping the bullet hold together better.
However, it also means the bullet doesn't expand as quickly. I've shot truckloads of deer with shockwaves; only one was a bonded bullet. All the non-bonded bullets performed well but that bonded bullet did NOT expand. I posted some pics on here last year. Now that deer was DRT but IMHO the bonded bullets are for elk, not deer.
if you want a complete passthrough with almost no blood trail use the bonded bullet. i use the bonded bullets for heavy built game ...deer are not heavy built [lung shot]
Thanks guys thats what i was thinking. I seem to remember that the lady i talked with from TC a year ago had the same opinon.
Which grain should i use the 250 or 300
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250 gr or 300gr? Most people prefer a heavier bullet if your MZ shoots then accurately. My Triumph liked the 250 grain better. The 250gr is usually the starting point with most modern muzzleloaders and will be more then appropriate for deer hunting.
Also, I have found better grouping with the black supplied sabot, not the superglide. Superglides were just not as accurate and some others here have had the same experience. Many here will have great advice on after market sabots, but the black supplied ones shot great for me. Good luck.
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i have noticed on the range when i practice that an easy loading sabot bullet combination is less accurate and will produce a lot of flyers ..also boat tail bullets in a sabot are not as accurate as flat bottom bullets ...yes the .250 gr is a good bullet to start any new tests ...
Deer are not tough, I have used the 200SW exclusively for years and taken deer from 20 to 338 yards and everywhere in between. The bullet was plenty. There is nothing wrong with the 300gr at all but you certainly don't NEED a heavier bullet.
Personally I think 200gr is a good weight for a .40cal bullet, 240-250 for a .44-.45 bullet for deer, and you can use heavier if you want in those calibers. I've actually switched to the 325gr .458 FTX this year for more long range energy.
As for the easy glides, shoot the regulars first. If you have to hammer them down the bore than get the easy glides. I have yet to hear anyone report that the easy glides were accurate in a gun that the regular sabots loaded ok.
Deer are not tough, I have used the 200SW exclusively for years and taken deer from 20 to 338 yards and everywhere in between. The bullet was plenty. There is nothing wrong with the 300gr at all but you certainly don't NEED a heavier bullet.
Personally I think 200gr is a good weight for a .40cal bullet, 240-250 for a .44-.45 bullet for deer, and you can use heavier if you want in those calibers. I've actually switched to the 325gr .458 FTX this year for more long range energy.
As for the easy glides, shoot the regulars first. If you have to hammer them down the bore than get the easy glides. I have yet to hear anyone report that the easy glides were accurate in a gun that the regular sabots loaded ok.
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I have only used bonded 300 grains on hogs for head shots. It stops them well. Whitetail, the 250 unbonded works well for me with 100 grain pyro pellets and should work well out of the gun you have.
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black it is then. were see how they shoot. Then might try the super glides if need be
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Originally Posted by Kathwacckkk
250 gr or 300gr? Most people prefer a heavier bullet if your MZ shoots then accurately. My Triumph liked the 250 grain better. The 250gr is usually the starting point with most modern muzzleloaders and will be more then appropriate for deer hunting.
Also, I have found better grouping with the black supplied sabot, not the superglide. Superglides were just not as accurate and some others here have had the same experience. Many here will have great advice on after market sabots, but the black supplied ones shot great for me. Good luck.
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bonded shockwaves.
Whitetail, the 250 unbonded works well for me with 100 grain pyro pellets and should work well out of the gun you have.
