A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims.
Maybe I'm way off base, but seems to be going on here.
A shill is an associate of a person selling goods or services or a political group, who pretends no association to the seller/group and assumes the air of an enthusiastic customer. The intention of the shill is, using crowd psychology, to encourage others unaware of the set-up to purchase said goods or services or support the political group's ideological claims.
Maybe I'm way off base, but seems to be going on here.
A shill huh? Here all along I thought that was a grouse. Thanks for clearing up the confusion.
I assume you have proof before making such an accusation?
If not, you are way out of line. If someones enthusiasm for certain products is ok with the mods and site owners, but more then you can possibly bare, stand up and be specific.
And/or try the block feature.
Man, you should have been here when BH-209 first came out... there were a lot of us 'shills' here. If we do not 'shill' it - it will not sell - if it does not sell than it will not be available.
A great example of that is BM-3 and the new powder that has been developed to improve it. It may have never recieved enough 'shilling' because it has never showed up around here at all.
Word of month - sports people talking about a product has always been a big seller. I have tried several products that have been 'shilled' on this board and I am sure that I have 'shilled' my share of products.
And just like in real life there are bigger 'shillers' amoung us than others - how much do you believe and want to share?
For myself it would be kinda dull around here if I could not talk about and yes promote our favorite products, course my favorite products change a lot so I do a lot of 'shilling' cause it seems I do not get hung up to much on 'shilling'. And when others are 'shilling' I read what they offer and then make what I hope is an educated decision about the product or thought and I may try it or I move just move on. I have yet to find anyplace on here that says I am required to do what is being 'shilled' - if you do not like the 'shilled' product move on - most people on here are independent thinkers and have that ability.
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To classify anyone as a shill, you should first have unprecedented proof of your claim that the person is being compensated in some mannerfor a favorable report. What you might have is a product tester that actually found something that works or they believe is a quality product. Because of their findings, they want to share their experience. But if they share that favorable experience that you disagree with, that makes them a shill?
I personally have done product testing for different companies through the North American Hunting Club. Some things I liked, some things I did not. They ask that after you try the product,you make a report so the other members of the club have your opinion. Does that make me a shill? I guess it does. I have shilled my share of things I guess. I sure hope I did not offend anyone.
What about all the political humor we see in these forum boards. It must be apparent by the person posting the political humor that others might find it veryoffensive, or even strongly disagree with it. Still, they post it. So since they are promoting their political agenda of theirs, that makes them a shill?
When someone shares shooting experiences, products they have tried, places they have hunted, basically any ballistics information of game they have taken, then this would make them a shill or sorts. The point I am getting at is forums where anything is discussed and dissected are going to have disagreements with products, agreements with ideas and examples of the worth of something, and personal experiences. So being a shill is a lot more common then we might seem. In fact these forums would be down right boring with out product reviews, range reports, product reports, etc.
What I feel is most disheartning is when someone who disagrees with some one's point of view of lets say a product, makes it personal by attacking the person and not the product. If I agree with someone, there opinion, product, or experience, I voice my opinion. If I disagree, I then state the reasons for that. But I DO NOT attack the poster. If they bother me too much, I do not read or reply to their posts.
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I guess if we had an unbias opinion it would be great. I am still kinda new to muzzleloading and appreciate what I have learned from a few members here on the forums. But, the few members in question....I have seen alot of what is the best thing since sliced bread and very little this has not worked at all for me don't waste your money.
That said it makes me wonder who is being compensated and who is not. either by money or free gear for a favorable review. If that is not you, you should not be offended and should not get so fired up.
If it is I expect a whole page of how you are not and everything you test is great and you surely do not get compesated for your reviews in anyway.
Just my opinion, and I know they are like azzholes and I have been called one on many occasions.
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I could go on and on about the products I have purchased and tried (and possibly still use). And how I have been made an easy "mark" by these shrewed shills that made me bye these and many otheritems but I have a meeting with my lawyer to go over the final draft of the lawsuite. I need to get some of my money back.
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I see one of the things you may have been 'shilled' on:
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Windex w/Vinegar
Regular bluw Windex with Ammonia is a far better product for cleaning and patching a ML bore... - I am "shilling"
The rest of the 'shilled' products on your list list are all good products - I do not use them all but they all work.
I also should mention MMP sabots which I use and recommend, and yes i know Del Ramsey, have talked to him on the phone and yes he has sent me free sabots which I gladly shot and then turned in my evaluation of them. Ah shoot! I know and talk to Alan @ Harvester also - their sabots are awful good also - I would also recommend them.
Just aint worth it it... I am a 'shill'
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Shills
Thanks for clearing up the confusion.
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