What are fragmenting bullets to you?

[SWThomas]

ORIGINAL: Grouse45

SWThomas, that's the best information you have ever gave on this forum. Since Chuck and his brother are the only people possible to tell you that information i'm glad i know how they feel now. I never felt that way about them, and i'm really surprised they told you that about me. That's okay, i learn something new all the time.

I gotta plan SWThomas, maybe we should see who's full of it.

There you go speculating. Chuck and Harry aren't the only people I've spoken to that know you. I just found it interesting that someone was able to validate my beliefs about you without even giving them my opinion first.

What's this plan you speak of.

[Semisane]

Oh, cut it out you two. I've seen tired two year olds that behaved better.

[sabotloader]

spaniel

Now I'm a relative young'un here so go easy on me if my understanding of history is off, but it is my understanding that the Partition is a relatively old design that was revolutionary in its time because of its ability to hold the bulk of the bullet together as bonded bullets had not really been introduced (or at least perfected) yet. At least that's always been my understanding of how things came about...I was probably 8 or 9 when I read this explanation so I may be wrong.

I believe your perception on this is correct also. The Nosler theory is realtively old, 1946 all because a big Canadian Moose refused to bow to a 300 H&H Mag. Nosler's theory evolved around the fact that he wanted a bullet to have a powerful impact at close range withoutout SHATTERING on heavy bone or on caked dryed mud - yet provide good expansion at the longer ranges. The bonding process, more than likely at that time was an unknown process. Even then I am not sure that would have answered the problem that Nosler was after. Bonding will hold the bullet together for the most part but it really does not insure uniform expansion as was one of the Nosler goals.

This might/maybe be a good example...

Here is a factory picture of an expanded perfectly mushroomed bonded 300 grain Gold Dot



Yet in real life the bonded bullet does not offer a structure in the bullet that will hold the bullet from distorting. So when you recover them from real life shooting they go askew but the lead is bonded to the copper and weight loss is minimal.




It is also my contention that this skewing will also alter the flight path of the bullet as it passes through an animal - not that it is a huge problem. but i THINK I would like a bullet that will stay the course of the shot all the way through... I think the uniformity of this expansion offers a better chance of this happening.



Hopefully changing the mood of this thread a bit...

[lemoyne]

Most bullets that penatrate well are lost out the far side of game, I had to spend some time with a metal detector getting this one back and it was shot out of a high tree stand it went through a 6 point and 4 inches [ approx]into the ground. Lee

[sabotloader]

lemoyne

Ya by golly! that is what i expect to see from a lead copper bullet that works well. And since the lead is bonded it probably did not loose excess weight.

Can you get a picture of the remaining shank? Since I see that is it a Gold Dot and I can see that it has expaanded to the dot - I am sure there remains a bullet shank that carries weight... + the weight of the exanded portion...

I still firmly believe it is a 'poor man's' Nosler...

[spaniel]

All this is why I want to gear up Nosler's for my X7 for my elk trip, though I still haven't decided if I want to hump 2 guns plus a sidearm 8+ miles into the back country. I probably won't take the ML unless we contract horses to dump off a camp and lighten the pack I need to carry in. There aren't a ton of elk back there and we're hunting late season so given the ordeal involved I can't justify not taking the centerfire.

[sabotloader]

spaniel

There aren't a ton of elk back there and we're hunting late season so given the ordeal involved I can't justify not taking the centerfire.

AMEN!

If you do not take it... well you know

And with the expense of the trip - you really need to be best prepared for most of the possible encounters...

[spaniel]

ORIGINAL: sabotloader

spaniel

AMEN!

If you do not take it... well you know

And with the expense of the trip - you really need to be best prepared for most of the possible encounters...

Though I did just email my buddy (who drew with me) after writing that post and suggest, since he has a TON of gear to buy and a baby on the way, that he could save cash by not buying a rifle and carrying my X7. Since we'd always be together we could share both weapons based on the range of the situation encountered...

[sabotloader]

spaniel

Wel shoot! if you guys a willing to tag team that is the way to handle it - if you can decide how you are going to handle the situation when it arises...

I have tried get Terry to come with me an carry my rifle for me... so far hasn't gone over real well..

[Grouse45]

Spaniel,
A ton of gear to buy??????? Isn't he already a hunter? Can you explain a little. I never have been elk hunting.