i ordered some patch lube and liquid patch lube/cleaner from this person.
i tried it this morning and it seemed to work well.
my groups were real good to with the BULLET WEIGHTS cast balls at 25 yds.
no smell like the BORE BUTTER i have.you just rub it on.
he says it works great in summer/fall/WINTER, so far, its good in cold.
then i got the liquid to, you just spray it on your patch.OR YOU CAN CLEAN GUN WITH IT TOO.
both shot to same spot at 25 yds.
i like it so far,anything that does not freeze is great thing, i hate that BORE BUTTER in winter.
dont know what is in this stuffbut it is ALL NATURAL and NO PETROLEUM.
www.custommuzzleloaders.com look under GUNS to find it.